1. Attachments are working again! Check out this thread for more details and to report any other bugs.

prius hv battery

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by Wilsid, Apr 3, 2017.

  1. bisco

    bisco cookie crumbler

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    110,179
    50,066
    0
    Location:
    boston
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    bummer.:unsure:
     
  2. Wilsid

    Wilsid Junior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2011
    91
    15
    0
    Location:
    Texas
    Vehicle:
    2004 Prius
    Model:
    II
    I took the battery out car wouldn't start, I saw a video on utube where his was the same, he cleaned the bars
    and it started right up,so the bars must be cleaned every now and then.
     
  3. SFO

    SFO Senior Member

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2017
    5,302
    4,241
    0
    Location:
    Northern California
    Vehicle:
    2007 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    Thought you cleaned up the bars before the latest battery rebuild?
     
  4. Wilsid

    Wilsid Junior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2011
    91
    15
    0
    Location:
    Texas
    Vehicle:
    2004 Prius
    Model:
    II
    cooling fan looked ok but took it out and apart its dirty, how do guys clean it ?

    THANKS
     
  5. bisco

    bisco cookie crumbler

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    110,179
    50,066
    0
    Location:
    boston
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    soap and water, q tips, small brushes, whatever will fit in there.
     
    Raytheeagle likes this.
  6. jeff652

    jeff652 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2014
    607
    624
    0
    Location:
    Idaho
    Vehicle:
    2005 Prius
    Model:
    II
    Our Battery Module Load Tester r has the H4 bulb wired in series to create the ~6A load. It's a great low cost way to identify failed modules:
    Prolong® Battery Module Load Tester - Hybrid Automotive

    Yes, agreed 100%. Our new ProlongPro Discharger will have an integrated 60A module load tester. This will be a much better simulation of what the modules experience when the vehicle is being driven. It will help find borderline modules much better than a 5-6A load will.

    Here is our new automated pack discharger:
    Prolong® Battery Discharger - Hybrid Automotive
     
    #26 jeff652, Apr 10, 2017
    Last edited: Apr 10, 2017
  7. jdenenberg

    jdenenberg EE Professor

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2005
    3,873
    1,871
    1
    Location:
    Trumbull, CT
    Vehicle:
    2020 Prius
    Model:
    LE AWD-e
    I think that you meant wired in parallel
    You should probably add that information to your product description.

    To use that 60 amp discharge capability to identify weak modules requires that you can read the module voltages while in discharge. A MiniVCI will at least read module pair voltages.
     
    jeff652 likes this.
  8. SFO

    SFO Senior Member

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2017
    5,302
    4,241
    0
    Location:
    Northern California
    Vehicle:
    2007 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    Is that a new product that has yet to be released? o_O

    I know of the consumer Prolong Battery Discharger, and the more commercial Prolong Intelligent Discharger, but nothing about a ProlongPro Discharger.

    After looking around the website I found no mention of an integrated 60A module load tester for either of the above models, though to be honest I failed to read the user guide(s).

    Thanks for the reply!
     
    jeff652 likes this.
  9. jeff652

    jeff652 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Feb 6, 2014
    607
    624
    0
    Location:
    Idaho
    Vehicle:
    2005 Prius
    Model:
    II
    Aack, yes of course. Parallel.

    The ProlongPro Discharger IR calculator/load tester will is used on one module at a time. It is separate from the 3A pack level discharging ability of the system. It reads module voltage while performing the test, no VCI required. It's designed to be used on a battery pack that is on the bench being rebuilt, fully independent of the vehicle.

    The ProlongPro Rapid Discharger is a different product than the Prolong Battery Discharger. It's a 3A universal discharger designed for shops/professional users. It will pair with the 3A ProlongPro Rapid Charger, also not yet released. Both are on track for July and will retail for $1,695 each. We are deep in R&D now. Here is a feature summary from a couple months ago (we made some changes since this flyer was released):
    ProlongPro Professional Grade Hybrid Battery Reconditioning Systems - Hybrid Automotive
     
  10. Wilsid

    Wilsid Junior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2011
    91
    15
    0
    Location:
    Texas
    Vehicle:
    2004 Prius
    Model:
    II
    Both batterys check out good, check 6 fuses #14-7.5 amps 22-7.5,33-20,34-7.5,49-5,50-120
    after about 5 min of driving red triangle,check engine lite, brake sys warning lite and vsc lites come on and it goes down
    to about 30 mph. what else can I check? THANKS cleaned fuses with green pad
     
  11. bisco

    bisco cookie crumbler

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    110,179
    50,066
    0
    Location:
    boston
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    how can you check out the hybrid battery?(n)
     
  12. Wilsid

    Wilsid Junior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2011
    91
    15
    0
    Location:
    Texas
    Vehicle:
    2004 Prius
    Model:
    II
    I put 6.5 amps on each modual,and checked the volts
     
  13. Wilsid

    Wilsid Junior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2011
    91
    15
    0
    Location:
    Texas
    Vehicle:
    2004 Prius
    Model:
    II
    #9 modual went out with a bang, so o'reillys wants $1275 for dorman with 3 yr warranty, toyota will
    give me a new one for 2200 with 1yr warranty. The parts manager at toyota says he would go for the
    dorman. These are plus tax. Can I do any better ? THANKS























    4
     
  14. dolj

    dolj Senior Member

    Joined:
    May 14, 2012
    7,855
    3,968
    0
    Location:
    Wellington, New Zealand
    Vehicle:
    2007 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    The parts manager needs to get informed, the warranty is 3 years, if installed by Toyota. And in any case a 1 year warranty on a new battery from Toyota (for a non-Toyota install) is worth infinitely more than a three year warranty from a rebuilder on what amounts to be a collection of secondhand parts of unknown origin and quality.

    I don't think you could do better than a factory new from Toyota.
    The parts manager doesn't know what he is talking about. I wouldn't take advice from him.
     
    ITBland likes this.
  15. andrewclaus

    andrewclaus Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2009
    993
    325
    0
    Location:
    Golden, CO
    Vehicle:
    2007 Prius
    I agree, I'd go for the new Toyota for $1000 more--you'll get ten more + years out of it. And be able to move it to another Gen2 if ever needed.
     
    ITBland likes this.
  16. Wilsid

    Wilsid Junior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 18, 2011
    91
    15
    0
    Location:
    Texas
    Vehicle:
    2004 Prius
    Model:
    II
    got me a new meter, checked modules again,9 is bad,8 & 12 are a little weak ,am going to replace
    the three and put the outside ones in the middle. Later for for 1275 or 2200, this will be a little over
    a $100.
     
  17. JC91006

    JC91006 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2013
    16,527
    8,429
    0
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    Vehicle:
    2008 Prius
    Model:
    II
    You can charge the weak modules if they are still over 7.2v. No need to replace good modules
     
  18. TMR-JWAP

    TMR-JWAP Senior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2016
    6,404
    6,062
    0
    Location:
    Columbia, SC
    Vehicle:
    2007 Prius
    Model:
    Touring
    I thought this also, until I saw a 138 amp discharge rate on Techstream while testing a newly rebuilt HV battery in my 2007. It was only 108 (or maybe it was 118 amps) when I did the screen capture. I was monitoring the laptop while my son was performing driving maneuvers as I requested. 138A appeared during a hard acceleration test simulating a right-hand turn pulling out into traffic. Needless to say, I was surprised.
     
  19. jdenenberg

    jdenenberg EE Professor

    Joined:
    Nov 21, 2005
    3,873
    1,871
    1
    Location:
    Trumbull, CT
    Vehicle:
    2020 Prius
    Model:
    LE AWD-e
    It was during the 2006 model year that the SW parameters were changed to allow the higher current draw. So your 2007 should be expected to exhibit currents of the order of 130 amps. As with any control system, some short term overshoot will occur when the system is suddenly requested to provide high output.

    JeffD
     
  20. TMR-JWAP

    TMR-JWAP Senior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2016
    6,404
    6,062
    0
    Location:
    Columbia, SC
    Vehicle:
    2007 Prius
    Model:
    Touring
    I wasn't aware of that. Didn't think the jump was made until the Gen 3 models. That's interesting to know. Thanks.

    If I were to put a 2007+ battery into a 2005, would that enable the 2005 to also draw 130?