Featured Toyota dealers increase requests for Prius Prime as sales exceeds expectations.

a member over on the prime pricing thread just got a $1500. rebate and $2500. discount in maine. i don't think they are selling so well on the east coast.

i was reading this morning that auto industry is pushing back against mpg improvements, cali plans to hold it's ground, and carb cars sold in cali apply to the mandate in the other carb states.

 

Tell you what Toyota, get us a fully optioned east coast Prime, pay the transportation cost, give us $10K for our Lexus SUV hybrid, pay the Cali sales tax, see to it our out-the -door price is under $9,800 & it's a deal ... and i'll forget all about those lame Lexus anti-plugin ads.

this article is creepy weird on so many levels that I can't wrap my head around it. take for example this quote relating to Toyota's billboards being loaded with substance to remove NOX from the atmosphere ;

So the billboards remove one type of environmental junk, & yet the chemical used to do that is possibly creating another disastrous substance for the environment. Is it just me? Or does that scenario parallel the hydrogen car dichotomy in toto - that Toyota envisions for Japan ... running it 'clean' off of hydrogen gas - that gets reformed via Australian coal, & all its CO2, coal ash, etc.
Oh the irony ...
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let's see, 30k less 7k rebate is 23k. 3k discount is 20k. cali tax 4k = 24k less 10k for yours? nope, sorry. i might drive it out to ya though

 

Nitrates in large amounts aren't good, but it is a food for plants and other organisms. Note it was "tenuously linked to methemoglobinemia" in areas of overfertilization leading to it getting into the ground water. The little bit coming off these billboards will likely get 'eaten' before reaching the ground water.

 

Actually around orange & LA counties, it'll most likely just get washed down the storm drains - there's not much asphalt non-concreted land left. It's just the principle of the whole thing. Marketing. It's a career in dishonesty.

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couldn't see anything but $1500. rebate and finance deals.

 

Prime shows $2000 cash back.

 

i've heard that. i wonder how they decide, days on the lot?

 

Compared to NOx, nitrates are really benign, and their production is a part of the biosphere's nitrogen cycle. Nitrogen based metabolic waste eventually gets converted to ammonia in environment. Bacteria and other microbes feed on it, and release nitrites, and another group take the nitrites and release nitrates. The ammonia and nitrites are much more toxic than the nitrates. With methemoglobinemia, the body is actually converting the nitrate back into nitrite, which is the actual harmful agent.

The nitrates can be taken up by plants and algae for use in making amino acids and proteins, or another organisms can break it down into nitrogen.

NOx is made in combustion engines from atmospheric nitrogen and oxygen. When the TiO2 on these signs converts it into nitrates, it is returning the nitrogen back to the natural nitrogen cycle. It is net zero nitrogen.

The environmental and health harm from nitrates is from us mining and making inorganic nitrates for fertilizers, and then spreading it willy nilly all over the land. These NOx fixing buildings and billboards can result in a local nitrate concentration spike, but only by converting more harmful NOx compounds, and it is a speck compared to what is found in agricultural runoff.

 

When I heard this on the podcast, somewhere in Germany someone was sputtering:

Was ist das! Titandioxid! Wir hätten unsere Dieselautos gemalt und sie wieder auf die Straße bringen können!​

Bob Wilson

 

I don't know, but the dealer by me has 12 Primes and is taking off an additional $250.

 

mine also has 12, and taking of $500. looks like maine is the place to be.

 

that's a lot of NOX eating paint - to undo dieselgate.
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