50MPG from Chevy Cruze Diesel

but you don't have that $2,500. hybrid battery replacement after 10 years. and surely, nothing major will go wrong with a chevy in that time.

 

I sure hope they do !!
... just as soon as they remove the cheat software, add proper smog/NOX/particulate controls, make the pee filter last longer, and then watch out USA ... progressive Europe, the birth place of cheat software will roll right over you.

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Yea . . . speaking of fundamentally flawed .... and " i ignore" . . . thanks for the great advice, as I smell the underside of a bridge nearby anyway.



Sell that 2013 Prius - quick !! and enjoy the new ride. I'm sure it'll be ok
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Was wondering the same thing, especially since the 2017 gas version of the Cruze (1.4L) actually has better mileage with the auto than the manual, and that's the older 6-speed auto.

Compare Side-by-Side

 

Bla
Bla...

If what you were saying were true.....there would be a lot more small diesel passenger cars in the US.
If HOW YOU WERE SAYING it weren't so caustic, then you wouldn't have to skulk around under a new forum name every few years.

Diesels make sense for many things.
Trains, trucks, ships and submarines don't make much sense without them.
Passenger cars in the US don't make much sense WITH them.

One of my work responsibilities is the care and feeding of 4-1/2 diesel backup generators.
I say four and a half because one of them is always deadlined for maintenance.
The MOTORS work great. (Cummins and John Deere make good stuff)
The sensors and electronics are crap!!!!
That's ONE REASON there aren't that many small diesel sedans in the US

Another reason is that we have different definitions of "clean" in the US than they do across the pond.
OK....so everybody's eyes always glaze over when eco-geeks compare and contrast CO, NOx, SO2, Ozone, etc....
So....I'll leave that component of the argument to them, but most people generally agree that if you spend enough money on pollution devices, and sacrifice enough in performance and reliability, then a diesel car can be "just about" as clean as gas burners already are.
I like the fact that Chevy is building a diesel Cruze, because............we export them to places with different emissions standards and fuel subsidies.

You have to remember however, that the Cruze is an asterisk (*) car.
It gets 52 MPG on the highway (*) if you get one with a manual transmission.
It's the highest highway MPG rated car in America (*) except cars with an electric drive motor.
They can be cheaper to operate than (********).....well.....there isn't time for all of the asterisks.
If there's a 'hybrid penalty' to be paid for driving a Prius, then driving a small diesel car amounts to more of a prison sentence.
Remember......some places in the US actually test emissions on cars before they let you drive them on the road.
I'm thinking that all of that money that diesel devotees didn't save by overpaying for the car and then again for the fuel,will be re-spent in keeping a diesel car with 150,000 miles on it in emissions compliance.

And...finally!!!!
They're clean (*).
The 2017 Chevy Cruze Diesel gets great mileage, but is it clean? - NY Daily News
Chevy Cruze Diesel lawsuit to move into discovery phase
Another emissions scandal? Mercedes-Benz parent Daimler opens probe


....until they're not.
And these are NEW Diesels with NEW rings and NEW emissions components!!!!

What is a diesel car with 100,000 miles going to be like???

 

All slush autos excluding the Prius sun gear type have a fluid frictional loss.

On a gas car this can be overcome in the test because the bsfc island isn't great on Otto cars.

A Diesel engine has a wide flat bsfc island and fewer losses at low load so the hydraulic losses in the auto overcome the slight bsfc gain from overgearing .

My experience on all cars that came with both MT and Auto is that regardless of the EPA test numbers my economy was always better with the manual, even on cars where they sport geared the manual, effectively crippling it.

Maybe some day that will change but at the moment normal automatics stay rather lossy, especially in cold weather.

 

So do I, but plug ins aren't going to work for everybody. Renewable diesel is more likely than renewable gasoline at this time. Ethanol in levels to truly replace gasoline require engines designed for it. Modified gasoline ones suffer efficiency losses.

To paraphrase John, "other alt fuel vehicles aren't the real competition."
Take off the Prius tinted glasses and look at what the majority are buying instead of hybrids. More choice is always better if we want people to move to more efficiency.

I believe the current automatic in the Cruze is the one from the previous generation's Eco trim; so better gear ratios for fuel efficiency than the manual. I suspect one or two of the 9 nine speed's overdrives didn't even get used during the EPA test cycles. The tests have an anti-diesel bias. The EPA knows this in addition to the diesel fanboys. I bet this Cruze's real world highway will be much better. The city might also be better.

Wasn't the same about sacrificing performance and reliability said about gasoline cars in the late '70s and early '80s because of the new emission regulations? Eventually, we will want our commercial trucks, trains, ships, and even generators as clean as our cars. Building diesel cars helps move towards that goal.

Those markets have been getting multiple diesels for the Cruze since the model's introduction. The first US diesel Cruze used an engine designed for those markets. This 1.6L diesel is the first small block designed with the US market in mind.

Likely polluting as much as a gasoline car with the same miles, but there might be smoke visible to the naked eye for everybody to get their panties in a bunch over.

Modern step automatics have gotten much more aggressive with DFCO and lock up to help overcome those losses. Double clutch transmissions are really just automated manuals.

Agree about the cold weather. Automatics hold a lot more fluid than a manual, that also passes through the radiator. Warming them up to their efficient point could take some time.

 

Using exaggeration & generalizations to come up with that conclusion confirms the writing on the wall. Traditional tech won't be able to compete.

 

Buying new batteries isn't "wasting money" if you use the right batteries.
This is what seperates people who properly assess and buy the right cars for their use, from fanboys who spend all of their time swapping useless baseball-like statistics.
I've owned just about every car make sold in America except Honda.
They're good cars for some people.
I'm just not one of them.

Concur, but the batteries aren't the problem with hybrids passing emissions as they age.
ALL internal combustion engines wear and pollute more as they age.
The difference with diesels is that they're dirtier to start with, and thus they rely more on emissions devices than ICE powered cars including hybrids. The difference is,,,,,,without the batteries that you keep harping about a hybrid is just another ICE powered car......which tend to be cheaper to work on than corresponding diesels, and have a different pollution curve to deal with.

That's not "me being right."
That's YOU buying the vehicle that fits your need.

The next time you get kicked off of the forum, you should "lurk" and read more of my posts.
I do not own a hybrid, and never have.
I've driven a company provided Prius for the last 120,000 miles, and I live in a part of the country that thinks that a VET is an expensive way to scare the crap out of your pet.....so this is a non-issue for me.

Direct ignition is still a napkin drawing, but it's not magic either.
Wake me when they''re a player in the eco-chic world.

My next car will probably be a PHEV, because right now that's the best fit for me, but anybody who knows me knows that "my next car" has changed several times over the last 8 years as my needs have changed.......so who knows?

A used hybrid might work for me.
The thing about hybrid batteries is that they're connectorized.
...easy to swap out.

 

Diesel cheating proved that didn't actually happen.

As clean as gasoline is setting the bar extremely low anyway. Competing with a plug-in hybrid is far more difficult.

It's dead, period.

 

Or maybe you should buy a diesel.

It really comes down to a question of your requirements which typically come in two flavors:

• Mandatory - pass/fail
  
• Optional - can be weighted

Bob Wilson

 

renewable diesel sounds like renewable hydrogen, cow poo.

 

Renewable diesel is actually second-generation biodiesel, but unlike traditional biodiesel (an ester), renewable diesel is straight hydrocarbon, and thus capable of being used in diesel engines up to 100%.

It's mostly made from used cooking oils and waste fats.

 

Acronyms: DFCO and BSFC ??

 

With today's tooling and cost of making high pressure pumps for common rail injection....they will not work and will make emission devices work harder than they are intended.....
Example are states like Illinois where all Diesel are blended with biodiesel..and there is highest percentage of problems with common rail injection and emission systems......
And not to mention loss of MPG...

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And that's the difference with renewable diesel, as I stated. It's 100% diesel-range hydrocarbons, so indistinguishable from petroleum diesel fuel from that perspective. It has much higher cetane rating than petro-diesel, along with no sulfur or aromatics. It's essentially a very high-quality diesel fuel.

About Diesel HPR | Propel Diesel HPR

 

like driving behind a fryolator.

 

For VWs. The BMW tested alongside the cheating VW cars was running clean like BMW claimed. Their current diesel models received EPA certification under the higher scrutiny

Hybrid and diesel aren't mutually exclusive technologies; Volvo had an extremely popular diesel PHEV not too long ago.

DFCO is deceleration fuel cut off; it's turning off the engine fuel injectors while coasting in gear. Manual transmission cars made use of it for years, perhaps decades, now. Its use was hit or miss in older automatic cars, but increasing fuel economy targets mean newer cars make more use of it.

BSFC is Brake specific fuel consumption - Wikipedia
Simply put, it a measure of the engines efficient 'sweet spot'. Useful to a hypermiler if a chart can be found for their car.

Except a chain of stations is already selling the renewable diesel in California.
Neste's NEXBTL renewable diesel retail availability expands into Southern California | Neste

Syn-crude can be made from water, CO2, and electricity in the reverse of the hydrogen reformation process. Audi calls it blue crude, and it's renewable if the electric used was. Other syn-crudes are made through pyrolysis amd thermal conversion from nearly any organic material. Diesel tends to be the lower cost to make fuel from these syn-crudes, though gasoline is possible.

 

i'll have to see all the details before i'm in. not much on their website. interesting, but could just be cow poo.