Long Term Effects of E85 on "Rubber" Bladder

i didn't realize there were pro ethanol people. i thought it was a political scam?

 

Over time it has gotten more efficient to the point it's no more energy intensive than collecting gas because of the outputs the distillers gets.

Remember the bush era ethanol subsidies are long gone in most areas and ethanol is still managing to compete.

Don't get me wrong, quick and easy industrial ethanol is no where near the zero input like the old way of making ethanol but it is getting better than gas.

Heck cellulosic production is ramping up in Iowa even during this downturn

If we could get cellulosic e100 hydrous ethanol on the shelves it requires under half the energy to produce as e85 and removes any inedible corn for fuel argument.

 

Sure...our Minnesota contingent here for several

 

huh, i thought it drove up food prices?

 

People involved in the corn growing industry like ethanol because it allows them to continue overproducing corn and getting paid for it. Such folks in the corn industry have heavily lobbied for it to be not only legal, but required. The political scam part comes in because the ethanol creation process uses gasoline as well as other chemicals and creates a bunch of byproducts, one of which is carbon dioxide. So it's not nearly as environmentally friendly as it's portrayed.

The ethanol manufacturing process can be found at Renewable Fuels Association » How Ethanol is Made?

 

thanks. so why do we want to run E85?

 

Beats me

 

Knock on wood?

 

With some timing advance and proper tuning It would give me extra hp...and less detonation with the turbo...

 

It will downgrade MPG to the point that savings will be lost from E85 fuel.....
What will happen with Engine life....that was already discussed. ....this Idea is not good for this .......


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Up to 2006 that would be a correct assessment.

Now, This is mostly a myth, the corn used for ethanol is not suitable as human food and barely useable for "finishing " cattle.
The corn used has less demand than you think for "normal" uses,
Like HFCS, pellets and packing materials, feed to finish cattle before slaughter.

The ethanol process now makes both fuel and high grade animal feed with lots of b12 and protein out of something that was mostly useless. the co2 from the process of fermentation and processing is now collected and actually used by anyone who needs frozen or bottled co2.(which even the place I work for uses)

I might sound like a staunch supporter, I am not, I actually was very strongly against US ethanol production but since I have to accept factory farms, and because this process has become very efficient I now realize it is better than gasoline.

unsubsidized ethanol is at parity per gallon of gas, this is because of massive leaps in efficiency using every biproduct of production, ethanol uses less energy to process per gallon than gasoline.

Ethanol is now less polluting per gallon than gasoline, of coarse ignoring farm water use

My hope is they can get ethanol production off non-waste products, natural enzymes to break down and use only solar heating to process.

But in the mean time profit motive and the removal of ethanol subsidies has made the industry less of a bad guy than gasoline.

Saying gasoline is greener is like saying Satan is less evil than Marilyn Manson

 

I did drive my Corolla with RE85 (E85 with ethanol made from waste) for years. RE85 was colored so when changing oil I would see that some of that coloring (and fuel) had gone into engine oil. Main reason for fuel going into oil was probably the cold starting when fuel mixture needed to be very rich to get the engine to start. Alcohol smell was strong if I started it cold with door open.

 

Gen2 also tends to get gaso/fuel into the oil, several percent. Believe since Gen2 there are tighter clearances and less fuel entrainment in the used oil for Gen3 plus.

 

Your percentage of water in oil will be high....
It will escalate wear on all moving parts .....
You will have issues with fuel injectors rings..keep close attention
You will have more short cycling than prolonged warm runs...where E85 will be washing out lubrication on cylinder walls...i will leave for you to watch increased metal content via oil samples
Hybrid are not made to be ethanol friendly...be cause of nature how this engine works
Toyota have studied this while back and complicity of getting other various things to fight with cold start and percentage of water and erosion of combustion chambers will bring this engine in territory of Formula 1 ....where tooling and materials to be used to overcome all weaknesses of E85....
Your idea is good...just a Car you are trying to use is not one you should try with.....
I hope you will not get mad
I do Testing and tearing apart engines for living with a job i do for other Car company....and you will discover this on your own quickly
And one very important factor any piggy tail type of device that intersect impulses from various sensors and amplifies to give ECU different readings will drastically affect your settings that Main Ecu is already doing


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Metropolia university and ST1 fuel company (that manufactures RE85 (E85 with ethanol made from waste)) actually had test program for running converted cars with it. And they did use Gen 2 Prius as one test car. Unfortunately I can’t seem to find any better info than that at 2 year point nothing had gone wrong on a Prius.

 

You have two opposing parties....One that push Crude oil...
Other that believes in Fuel made by Corn
I will just try to give simple answer
Why in Senate this have been pushed?
Why Crude oil Companies are using it
Simply they can produce less quality fuel and blend it with Ethanol to get minimum mandatory octane up to desirable number.....
With sharing my work data with society here it will cost me my job
This approach to EPA reduce emissions are not worthy.....They are pushing from other aspects to make more profit..where this also what some people believe it will send less to Eastern country's...are true..but this will raise cost of food
Loss of MPG will result in costing population more from what they actually pay and what they actually get from
Green way is not using bio fuel or crude oil
All things done With combustion chamber engines so far is using another band aid to meet emission...
To get to the core of pollution is to educate people and focus in Electric propulsion
And to mention just how much more by design BEV car's are more reliable...just using technology that was not yet improved for last 70 year's...
And just try to imagine once R&D focus on energy storage and electric propulsion improvements....
My information so far on hybrid power train are giving Gas engines about 40-70% more life because they work a lot less with hybrid setup...so future of hitting 500k miles are not to far away

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