Featured Hyundai IONIQ - Prius competitor?

So, actually my average speed was a bit higher than in these tests. But I assume I had less variation in speed. Variation also has a bad effect on efficiency. But nevertheless, the Ioniq EV has positively surprised me with its level of efficiency, even in winter circumstances.

 

I wonder what the kWh/100 km figures would look like in real-world driving conditions, e.g. occasionally snow, heavy rain, not-exactly-Dutch roads, very cold/very hot etc. ... somewhere around 18-20 average, I guess?

(by the way, my respect for driving in -1 °C without heating on)

 

Try -15 f without heat.

 

majority of plugin drivers here find that hard to grasp. But we DO understand 1kWh of energy - ie running a microwave oven for an hour or a hair dryer for an hour. So, if one says 4 miles or 5 miles per kWh .... then we're good to go. So ... yea - i get 5 miles per kWh in one car, & 3mi/kWh in the other.

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Distance over energy is a bad idea, IMO, as it distorts efficiency at the extremes - large changes in efficiency for something inefficient are hidden, and small changes in efficiency for something already efficient are magnified.

kWh per 100 miles, or Wh per mile (which is the same number as kWh per 1000 miles), is the way to go.

 

A preheated car works very well, especially when the trip is not long.

Real world conditions are different everywhere on the globe, and also differ much over time. For example, what you try to claim exclusively as real world conditions in a kind of self-centered way, for me is not real world at all. So, the notion of real world as a unique and absolute indication makes no sense. You always have to indicate the context when you consider efficiency or range numbers.

See this overview of a wide variety of cases; in particular see post #93 there with clickable numbers referring you to the context of each number. As may be expected, the numbers there differ between experiences reported, for example, from South Korea and from Norway, as obviously their current 'real worlds' differ much. As an example of driving under less favorable conditions you can check Bjorn Nyland's Wintertest Part 1 and Wintertest Part 2 in Norway. I am still waiting for reports from the US and Canada, but for winter conditions we may have to wait till the end of the year as the car still has to come out there.

 

The original city and highway tests are used to get a car's raw MPG. Which is used for CAFE. The three other tests are used to determine the adjustment factor to the raw MPGs for the Monroney sticker. AFAIK, those tests still aren't mandatory, and the adjustment factor can be determined by math formulas

Yes, the test cycles have actual stops that will drag down efficiency, but so does the NEDC.
Tesla's site has a range vs constant speed calculator for their models that can take into account wheel size, outside temperature, climate control use, windows open, and maybe even if the headlights are on.

 

It seems that now a date is known for when the three Ioniqs will be offered in the US: April 1 for Hybrid and BEV, and September 1 for Plug In Hybrid.

 

i thought they were already unloading hybrids in cali last week?

 

April 1st could be the date they are more widely available than just California.

 

yep done 7000 miles already in my Ioniq Hybrid, not an issue, in on Thursday for a recall on the media unit, fault with the Bluetooth locking up
my previous Hyundai i20 I did 30,000 miles in 18 months, not an issue, used 500ml of oil in first 10000 miles then not a drop for the next 20,000 until I swapped it for the Ioniq
incidentally prior to the new 2014/2015 models I would not have looked at them as they looked cheap and old fashioned, the difference in styling from 2014 and the equipment as std, and here in the UK we get a 5 year unlimited mileage warranty there is not a lot not covered, the only thing with a different warranty is the HV battery (8 year / 125,000 mile warranty)
leaving styling and materials aside as these are subjective I think the Ioniq and Prius are pretty close in term of economy, time will tell on reliability but from what I have seem so far, no squeaks or rattles, everything seems well put together so for me build quality seems good as well

 

As a Prius owner (actually 3 in the family), thanks to the other brand/model owners for their reports on what they like and don't like and what they economy numbers are.

I'm not brand loyal (though you'd think it now with 5 Toyotas in the family) and am more than happy to consider alternatives. I urge someone who has a bent like mine to start compiling a list of likes and dislikes on your brand/model so someone can get a picture of what they should look at when considering how the car/vehicle might fit their needs. I've done two of these, the Prius v one now comprising over 60 items some of which I thought up and some culled from postings on the various forums.

Competition compels everyone to improve their products and we all benefit.

 

I tend to have a list (not quite as comprehensive as yours but I do have one)

the other thing I would say is go and look at the competition, even if only so see what the other manufacturers are doing and confirm your preferred option is the best fit for you, but on occasions you may surprised and see something you like more

I think the time of brand loyalty is ending, as there is more and more competition and more information is easily accessible on the web in forums like this and car mags (although I find some mags are biased to certain manufacturers)

the testing programs like EuroNcap and similar round the world highlight safety and safety equipment so you can get a safe car not a shocking one ( this one surprised me http://www.euroncap.com/en/results/ford/mustang/26063 )

on there both the new prius and Ioniq get 5 stars, with the Prius just beating the Ioniq when you compare the percentages

personally I preferred the styling. price and equipment of the Ioniq compared to the prius, but if it does start to hit the Prius's sales, then Toyota might up it's already high game or discount the price a bit so the competiton could work well for both side

 

Sitting on my driveway is:

• BMW i3-REx
• Prius Prime Plus

So what do they have in common:

1. Dynamic cruise control and accident avoidance
   1. Something not mentioned in the Ioniq reviews, yet.
   2. Something missing on the local Volt when I visited the dealer.
2. Both EV and gas powered capability
   1. Something not even listed for an Ioniq on the EPA web site.

I appreciate there are different markets and cars. But seeing something in the UK, EU, Japan, or China that is not available in the USA . . . well it is nice to see doesn't have a thing to do with what I can spend my money on. But we've seen this pattern in the past, the 1980s with Beta-ware wars.

Peel back this thread to the first post, Dec 8, 2015, and notice that we keep discussing a car like 'Waiting for Godot' that is everything but available for sale. Our used, 2014 BMW i3-REx, became available in May 2016 and the Prius Prime Plus was bought in December 2016 . . . yet no Ioniq in the USA market.

I'm glad you like your ride but all we have here is a paper Ioniq. Perhaps you've heard of "Bird in hand is better than two in the bush." That pretty well describes how I see this thread and the Ioniq being driven by Godot.

You started a fresh thread about another article posing a false narrative . . . trying to find some split between vehicle efficiency and range. Nonsense to me because my unanswered requirement remains:

• Dynamic cruise control and accident avoidance
  • I turned down a 2016 Prius Level 3 with inferior MPG because Toyota decided the Level 2 ECO did not need TSS-P. The Prius Prime Plus on the same loop gave 105.5 MPG, over 5-6% better than that 2016 Level 3. The irony is the offered price, $33k reduced to $28k, sold the BMW i3-REx.

We don't have Ioniq owners in the USA to 'carry the water' . . . to keep this thread alive. Hopefully when we do, our good friends, the moderators will help them find the "Other cars." In he meanwhile, I have options.

Bob Wilson

 

1. The Ioniq certainly has dynamic cruise control and accident avoidance; see also the Ioniq owners manuals. And it scores the maximal 5 stars on the Euro NCAP safety tests.

2. You can find the EPA scores here:
EPA Ioniq EV
EPA Ioniq Hybrid
The Ioniq PHV has not been produced yet. It will come out half a year to a year later.

 

Good news about the dynamic cruise control. Just understand, I'm not into reading the owner's manuals of cars I can't buy. Worse, cars that are not competitive with the ones on my driveway.

So this thread will continue after April: 4+6 to 4+12 or 10 to 16 months?

Time to turn up the squelch.

Bob Wilson

 

OK, we will see you back then.
In the meantime those interested in the Ioniq EV and Hybrid can stay online here. Within two months they should be available in the US.

 

No problem as in about a week, we'll have another summary of hybrid, plug-in, EV and diesel sales in the USA. Good to know Ioniq sales will remain steady.

Bob Wilson

 

Very steady on 0 indeed.

 

I found it interesting to click on EPA Scores (above) and compare the Ioniq hybrid to the 2017 Prius hybrid.