Kwh, charge time, EV range

We need to control for variables. The smaller pack of the PiP finishes charging sooner. Depending on charge start times, there might have been enough time for it could have cooled down after charging, while the pack in the Prime is still warm from charging. Then there is the effect of the Prime having a heat pump, which works down to 14F, vs needing the ICE for heat.

At the very lease, the battery heater will reduce the charging time due to low temperatures, which is more important for the Prime with the larger battery.

I'd say before it reaches freezing; 4C or 5C perhaps.

 

feel free to use f, we're in the u.s.

 

I disagree, I think it's more likely 40 degrees or maybe 50 degrees that the battery heater comes on

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when i first read about it, i assumed it would greatly decrease cold weather range loss. why wouldn't it? if you heat the battery to prime operating temp, how much will it cool down while your driving in ev mode?

 

The thing to remember is when I drove my 2012 PIP at 25mph for about 2 miles in weather colder than 40 degrees Fahrenheit ICE would not kick in due to battery warming just by driving it, and then proceeded to drive faster than 35 MPH without ICE kicking in

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similar experience, i can drive up to 35 mph or so, but it also depends on terrain and temp.

 

but with the prime if it's not 14 degrees out like today at 20 degrees I can instantly go 35-45 MPH without ICE kicking in

 

nice! i would think that would increase your cold weather range as well. i'm down about 30% right now.

 

what's also nice is the heat pump. In my old PIP I had to drive with my winter coat all buttoned up because as soon as you turn on Climate Control, ICE kicks in. With the Prime the heat pump is powered by the traction battery, ok, I lose some range but hey I have 20 miles of range with the heat pump on. I was sitting in my car with the pump on for about an hour and still had 10 miles of range left.

 

yeah, that's a game changer, good on toyota.

 

bisco, time to step up to a Prime?

 

believe me, it's on my to do list. but i got burned on the pip, and will wait until this summer to take one for a test drive. with my luck, gas prices will skyrocket, and there won't even be a rebate.

 

well you've had the PIP for, lets see 2012-2017=5 years so if you financed it your car should just about be paid for

 

cash, but the problem is the 20k in depreciation. it's not a money thing, but i'm going to look around a little before deciding. if it didn't have the raised hatch floor, i probably would have bitten the bullet already.

but the pip is like brand new at 50,000 miles, and someone is going to get a great car, and a great deal.

 

awww, what's a couple of inches, lol, the rear seats still fold down for that 55 inch flat screen TV

 

What happens when the battery is being charged during normal driving in HV mode after being cold soaked in below freezing temperatures?

 

it's such a small amount of charge, it probably isn't affected by the cold.

keep in mind, the battery is always operating, it has to start the engine, over and over.

 

potentially, or maybe a 3 year lease on something. have they ever made a significant midlife change? i'm not looking for superficial updates.