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  1. RB Smith

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    Heated LED head lights?
    Are the headlights on a Prius v Five with the LED lights heated in any way for driving in freezing precip?
     
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    Not as much as halogens, but if you use a high concentration of the low freeze point washer fluid, the LED headlight washers can assist with deicing.the transparencies.
     
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    My 2017 doesn't have washers.
     
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    Washers went away in 2014. I think the LEDs will generate enough heat on their own to keep ice off.
     
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    Our 2010 Canadian touring with LED's came with washers (which I've never used, apart from a bit of testing to see if they worked), but yeah, all the 2016/17 Prius hatchback have LED's, but no washers.
     
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    LED do not make any heat.
     
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    can you add washers?
     
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    Maybe they make some heat, just not as much:

    How hot are LED light bulbs? | LIFX

    Have you checked that on yours? I could give it a try too, next time we're driving. I'm disinclined to just turn on the headlights without running the car.
     
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    High power LEDs require fans or external heatsinks. They clearly create heat.
     
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    The OEM washers were essentially useless.
     
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    I've never had a decent opportunity to try them, we hardly seem to get snow here anymore. My understanding was they were to melt off frozen slush? Considering the aerodynamic shape of the headlights, and that the LED's do heat up some, doubt they were needed in the first place.
     
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    Don't forget in this conversation that the LEDs used to have multiple projectors back in the day when they had washers for them in the bumpers. When they got rid of them was when they switched to a single beam. So with one source of light now, the heat no matter how small it may be is still more than it used to be and enough that the requirement is met that washers are no longer necessary. And not to mention how useless they were anyways, at least IMO. If they were good for anything, it was spraying fluid all over my clean hood/bumper/etc when I didn't want them to.
     
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    Don't EU regulations still require washers? I know Porsche in models just coming out in new bodies still has them.
     
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    I think they do, but I was talking US. If a manufacturer can save some money, they usually but not always, will.

    My 16' XC90 and 17' Q7, both with led headlights, have headlight washers. But they both also have multiple beam low and high beams, not one beam like the mid cycle refresh Prius v.
     
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    The Hella web page to which I provided a link has the answer: "ECE regulation R48 stipulates the use of a headlight cleaning system for headlights with a light performance of more than 2,000 lumen." The purpose of the requirement is to reduce glare experienced by oncoming drivers. Some car makers put headlight washers on vehicles that have headlights that produce less than 2,000 lumen either as a standard or optional feature.
     
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    Wrong
     
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    But maybe not enough?
     
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    High power LEDs produce lots of rejected heat, just not in the right places to heat the air within the headlight transparencies.High power LED heatsinks tend to be exposed, outside the transparencies (or behind the lamp mount in an H-series lamp), in free stream air.
     
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    That heat & heatsink are in the engine compartment, not outside where the ice & snow are.
     
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