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Potentially switching from Subaru Outback - advice?

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Main Forum' started by gafortiby, Aug 29, 2016.

  1. gafortiby

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    Hello folks,
    Our family car is a 2014 Subaru Outback 2.5i with eyesight which we purchased new. I am considering switching to a used 2012 Prius 3 for purely financial reasons. Given my exact payment, fees, resale value, etc, if I do the switch, I would save $200+ a month.

    GOAL
    1. The goal is to save money. There is so much I can do with $200 a month! :)
    2. I want minimal repair costs for a few years. I believe I have that either way.
    3. Low maintenance costs. I believe I have that either way.
    4. I still "need" features like bluetooth and rear-view camera.
    5. I care nothing about power or speed. 0-60mph times are virtually identical between these two cars anyway.
    6. I never ever go offroading and I never will.
    ---I believe a low mileage 2012 Prius 3 is the sweet spot for my goal.

    Our family owns two cars. I commute in a 2006 Honda Civic Hybrid.

    I need advice on these concerns.
    1. We have 2 children in carseats, and the Outback is so roomy that we can fit an adult between the two rear carseats. We are a family of 4 but quite often we pack an extra adult in that middle seat, and I imagine that will be impossible in a Prius.
    2. I live in Colorado USA where snow is frequent and rarely plowed. My civic with proper snow tires got stuck in the 2-feet blizzard last year, but the outback with snow tires had no problems. Honestly it had nothing to do with 4WD. The Outback's 9 inch ground clearance made all the difference during that blizzard.
    3. We are planning a family cross-country road trip next year. The outback has so much space that we can practically pack up the entire house and still have lots of legroom. Although a Prius hatchback is versatile it does not haul as much and I don't think the Prius will be as comfortable on a road trip. If I buy a rooftop carrier it would haul just as much as the outback but erode the money benefit.
    4. The Outback has automatic braking as well as dynamic cruise control that blows any Toyota system out of the water. For example the eyesight will automatically maintain 2-second rule distance from the car ahead at any speed all the way down to 0mph. I use this feature on the interstate a lot.
    5. Since my other car is a Civic, we will no longer have a large hauler for those occasional needs. Sure I can rent large cars once in a while but that erodes the money benefit.

    Thoughts? Advice?
     
  2. The Electric Me

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    My contention, even though it is argued against by some, is that by the very nature of being a hybrid. Electric starts, IMO overly aggressive tractiion control, low ground clearance, low rolling resistance tires, regenerative brakes, The Prius is simply not an ideal winter conditions vehicle.

    If I lived in Colorado, and had a family? I surely stick with the Outback, if only for the additional safety of 4 wheel drive, and the deserved OPPOSITE reputation of Outbacks being good in snow.

    200 bucks a month isn't worth the safety of yourself and your family.
     
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    Is refinancing an option?
     
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    Sure I can refinance but I am on 0% financing from Subaru with only 38 months left. So I could refi to lower my monthly but very little upside.

    I should have clarified that I'm not just trying to lower my monthly bills, I am also trying to lower my long-term costs as well. whether or not I switch, my numbers and cost savings are based on being done with car payments in 3~4 years.
     
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    Just doesn't seem like an overall good idea.
    Look at it this way, when you outline a goal and comparison, and 5 out of the 6 factors you evaluate and compare are The Same or Break Even?

    The ONLY thing that seems to be an advantage, would be the $200 a month savings you are projecting. But I'm not really clear where you are coming up with that figure. But I'll just accept it as a legitimate given.

    A little over 3 years can seem like a long time, but if you've got 2 kids at car seats age? You'll discover how fast those years pass.
    Then you'll have a "paid off" Subaru Outback, in which you have been the owner since the start. Which will be 2 years younger than any used 2012 Prius you buy today.

    I'm a huge supporter of Prius, but also reading all that seems "right" in regards to your Subaru ownership and what appears to be a growing family.

    Well my advice is don't go looking for greener grass. An Outback and A Civic Hybrid are a pretty good, versatile and economic combination of vehicles for your situation IMO.

    Do what you wish...but your "Advice on These Other Concerns" would really lead me to believe your best choice is keeping what you have.
     
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    As a 2015 OutBack owner with eyesight, I'd say that except for fuel economy savings everything else would be a move downwards. I think you would need to look at a Prius v (wagon) instead but then you'll need to reconsider the lower fuel economy and higher prices of that model. I would also strongly suggest you test drive a v up a local long, steep grade fully loaded with your family.

    Finally, estimating resale value can be a lot different from what you actually get for your vehicle and depends on a lot of variables like how long do you want to try and sell it for top dollar, dealing with lowballers, tire-kickers, folks wanting you to finance them, etc.
     
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    Good points. So the question really comes down to... am I happier with 2 cars i already love or $200 in my pocket every month for 4 years.

    Another way I can look at it is... Imagine I have a 2013 Prius 3, and I could trade up to a 2014 Outback for $200 a month over 4 years. Would I do it?
     
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    Like I said, if you've figured and believe you'd save $200 a month?
    I'm not in a position to argue it with you.

    I'm not really clear where that savings would be coming from in totality. Especially if you are projecting some future resale value.
    You evidently have 0% APR going with your Subaru, with just a little over 3 years left.

    Unless this isn't a matter of option, if you NEED to make a change.
    But if it's an optional move?
    I'd still just keep your Subaru.

    Those two kids in car seats are only going to get bigger.
    If you LIKE the room of The Subaru? Concerned about the potential room in a Prius? Also LIKE taking family road trips?

    I don't know...
    I can see almost no tangible reason to make the switch.
     
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    Seems like you have (or might still have a warranty) on the Outback; the 2012 would for only the hybrid components.

    I'd say stay with the Subaru.

    The Prius with DRCC will do this as well.
     
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    The math is simple: I owe $16k on the Subaru, and in Colorado they are easy to sell. I can sell $1k under kelly blue book at $21k. I use the $5k to buy a $14k prius and after tax and fees that works out to a $10k loan. With my credit rating that works out to $270 a month for 38 months. My current subby payment is $430 a month with 38 months left. After fuel savings are factored, net is $200 gain per month for me. I have to painfully eat the ~$600 in interest cost over those 38 months. :(
     
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    1. We have 2 children in carseats, and the Outback is so roomy that we can fit an adult between the two rear carseats. We are a family of 4 but quite often we pack an extra adult in that middle seat, and I imagine that will be impossible in a Prius.

    Take your two child seats down to Toyota. Strap them in, do a test sit. Might answer your question real fast.


    2. I live in Colorado USA where snow is frequent and rarely plowed. My civic with proper snow tires got stuck in the 2-feet blizzard last year, but the outback with snow tires had no problems. Honestly it had nothing to do with 4WD. The Outback's 9 inch ground clearance made all the difference during that blizzard.

    The Prius has roughly enough clearance to scrape over a tennis ball. Not good when there's a skim of snow on the road. Also, it is hard to work the various Prius controls when you are wearing winter clothes.
     
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    There is quite a bit of rear seat height and cargo space in a Gen3 Prius. Huge as someone would say. That's because they added 3-ft3 vol over the Gen2, and they moved the roof hump back further in Gen3. The older Gen2 had legendary leg room in the rear seat, but one reason for that is the Gen2 front seats had shorter seat tracks which kept the front seats from moving as far backwards as in Gen3. Width of Prius may not be as roomy as Outback...do not know. We get 3 car seats across on a Gen2 by going to the Radian car seats which have somewhat thinner design. Prior to that we had humongous child seats which would make the middle space more cramped.

    (whereas 2012 is a Gen3 Prius)
     
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    Seems like the majority opinion is to keep the Outback. Yes that makes a lot of sense to me too.

    But I figured I should at least look. I test drove a 2012 Prius 3 today for an in-person assessment. I had driven priuses before but I had somehow forgotten most of it.

    Thoughts:
    1. Flash flooding in the area so actually the perfect time to test the car's inclement weather chops. It was fine but I did get the very odd traction control feeling when I hit the gas on mud. I can see why people would *feel* that this is not good in inclement weather. However I made it around that corner just fine so I guess it's all fine.
    2. Does it haul lots of stuff? Lots of groceries yes but that hatch profile is so low that I would never be able to haul tall stuff like furniture with the hatch closed. And yes I do that once in a while.
    3. Is this road trip worthy? I can make it work. I remember doing a long cross-country road trip in a 1985 Toyota Camry. We did fine. Of course I swore I would never ever ride a car again but that wore off eventually.
    4. Unexpectedly cramped feeling--particular with those tiny tiny side view mirrors. I guess I am just used to the comparatively giant outback.
    5. I just remembered, 5 years ago I rented a 2010 Prius 1 at Denver airport and drove it to Colorado Springs for a few days in January. It actually did fine on thin snow and sheets of ice but obviously I never tested it in a foot of snow.
    All of this is moot until my wife takes a look.
     
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    These are totally 2 difference vehicles. Only you you can decide what you need. Subaru is a very small corporation they don't have the funds to do R&D. So they are a few years behind!
     
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    Going to test drive a 2012 Prius v five. I am not sure why this option never occurred before. I think the v has the interior and cargo space I need.