Thoughts on new Master Plan?

Last I heard, it was maybe a dozen in the greater NYC area in addition to those in California. No talk about cross country.

 

There are currently 8 fuel stations between San Juan Capistrano and Long Beach, that's plenty of stations for Southern California so don't really know why the discussion is always on the lack of stations?

 

Call ahead - you'll find at best four at most working at any given time ... & half of those will only be to 5K lbs. Then make sure other cars aren't there ahead of you because pressure drops & then you're waiting for a good long time.
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Not any better over in FV at the Tesla charging center, never any empty spots, always need to wait for a charger, its gotten so bad that Tesla now has a guy valeting the chargers so that people don't hog them.....

 

Uh hugh .... sure ... I wonder why every time I go by I see just one or two of 10 spots filled like this shot.
But even in the unlikely event all are full everywhere (don't forget - no picture - no truth) - the nice thing about 10 or 12 stations in one place is that there's a high probability one will be vacated within a couple minutes ... then another empties in a couple minutes after that. Just lije at a Shell statiin. Whereas the measly 1 hose that only filled halfway on a fuel cell ... well fortunately - there aren't many suckers that they'll ever unload these overpriced pigs on - contrary to the 30,000 cars "bs" that they tried to claim there'd be. See? Thats one of the bright spots !

 

That picture is not the Tesla charging center in FV, but this is......

 

Nice try - that's a weekend meet-&-greet . . . which is why you see the roadsters there. I've been to those. Still ... nice try at deflection.

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You can call it a weekend meet and greet but this is what this charging center looks like on a daily basis, as you can see all the chargers are being used.

 

Let's Pretend This isn't a meet and greet. Let's further Pretend This is a weekday, so you won't have to further embarrass yourself trying to take a picture when they're all full. Let's Pretend the OP asks the question what is Toyota's master plan (sorry to remind - but that's the topic) . It's hydrogen. We'll all just have to live with it, until they wake up & change their plan. Trying to change the topic - & say, "well the other car company's plan is stupid too" - for the sole purpose of deflection doesn't make the master plan better, does it.
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Toyota is not taking a back seat to EV, they just are trying to provide an alternative to EV. You truly think Toyota is not researching EV tech and if the H2 does fail, which I don't believe it will, they can't crank out a better car then the Tesla?

 

And by the way, please know that I am not embarrassed in the least, I have nothing to be embarrassed about, maybe if you Yelp Tesla Super Chargers Fountain Valley you can read the several post of owners who are not happy with the long lines, chargers that don't work and rudeness of other Tesla owners

 

#1 - the RAV4 ev you pasted was built by tesla - so - little bit of irony that you'd use a Tesla product to show how good toyota can make an ev.
#2 - the eq - ev you posted was feared by Toyota to be so poorly received - that Toyota decided to not even bother trying to sell them. There's a few handfull of leases in the USA - only.

Still - i agree - Totota can & may very well play catch up. But it ain't their master plan. If Toyota gets back into ev's their old attempts won't do much for them. They may find that being ok at making a 100mile ev is not the same as making a great long distance model.
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The RAV4 electric motors are Tesla, and they wish they did not use them as there has been issues with them, and it was Toyotas money that helped Tesla get off the ground.

 

Try & focus. The OP's about master plan ... again, that's the OP ... you're deflecting again. Tesla's master plan is not to outsource manufacturing of an EV.
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Your right! Toyotas Master plan is

 

Toyota master plan is simple:

Improve hybrid drivetrain to a point where it will mach EV driving experience.

Majority of people don't care about oil use. People care about how a car drives, Toyota did a great step in improving new Prius, the major problem that hurts sales are the looks and lack of power. I'm sure Toyota will address (and already is with RAV4) those two features in the future.

Then there is marketing problem, it doesn't help if you have a good product, people must wan't it and people wan't full electric just because those are the new tablets on wheels.

 

Which vehicle? The Equinox (oh, only prototypes...). I had to Google only to find cryptic references since at least 2013 and one from earlier this year:

GM Says FCEVs Developing Too Quickly for Production | Engines content from WardsAuto

A puff piece full of hot air excuses as usual. No hint or even anticipation of a release date.

 

Toyota has the clout to ensure you stay enslaved to the machinations of the extractors and frackers and their profiting-at-your-expense speculators. After 100 years, some of us have had enough. I hope the future is not kind and burns them severely.

 

Many Prius owners have also done their damndest to tarnish the reputation of said owner class, so let's not point fingers at a few impatient EV owners.

Fountain Valley is getting some relief soon. Santa Ana started construction in the past few days. Buena Park should also be a difference maker:



Unlike the FCEV nightmare, the supercharger is a "fueling station" of last resort for the vast majority of owners in a metropolis.