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Prolong Intelligent Discharger 1st impression

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by SDunahugh, Jul 16, 2016.

  1. SDunahugh

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    well I broke down and bought one due to the fact that I have 4 cars to recon. my parents have 2 Prius's and I have 2, it came in the mail yesterday. I charged and balanced the 1st car overnight. hooked up the INT discharger at 6am. (battery reading 236V) Noon now and it is at 176v. (0.21-0.22 amp)

    Its going to take along time to do each discharge cycle but being able to mow the grass run to the store ect ect is nice.


    Fri 3:30pm - Sat 6am charge and balance
    6am (0hrs) 236v Int dis-charger hooked up and started
    1pm (7hrs) 168V same amp drawl down
    2pm (8hrs) 157V same amps
    3pm (9hrs) 137v same amps
    stopped at 131V 3:10pm 9hrs 10mins total time + or - 3mins
    3:15 pm starting a 8hrs charge and balance
    8:30pm 225V and still going up so overnight charge balance and 2nd discharge tomorrow
    9:55am starting 2nd discharge 236v
    2:25pm dis-charger stopped at 78v so 4.5hrs for 2nd dis-charge
    2:25pm charge /balance started
     
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    will be following, thanks!(y)
     
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    I would want to buy a used one when you're done lol

    It's a bit pricy
     
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    I told my Mom and Dad Merry Xmas when I order it so 1 present out of the way (that's how i justified it!!!)
     
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    I bought the Charger/Simple Discharger kit back in January, and found it a bit of a pain having to closely monitor the discharging, so recently I sprang for the Intelligent Discharger, and last weekend did a complete re-con cycle on my 2009 Gen II, and here's the note I put in my Gas/Maintenance Log:
    Date: 20160711
    Traction battery re-condition: 112800 miles
    1. charge & balance, discharge to 134 V
    2. charge & balance, discharge to 84 V
    3. charge & balance, discharge to 17V
    4. 12 hour charge
    5. let sit for 1 hour before driving.
    6. total time 40 hours (approximately)
    I would think with 4 cars to maintain, one kit (plus 3 harnesses) plus Intelligent Discharger, might be a wise investment. BTW if anyone in my locale (1 hour driving from Nausea, Southern New Hamster) is wanting to recon their Gen II Traction-Battery, you deal with the harness, and I'm sure we could come to some arrangement about charging/discharging. (I'm not associated in any way with Hybrid-Systems, but the offer is there if anyone needs it!) - hope this helps - Wil

    PS: To the OP, surely you could discharge one car whilst the next is being charged? …that way the overall time would be reduced…
     
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    yep bought 1 charger 3 extra cable and 1 Int dis-charger. you did this in 40hrs? so far to me it seems like it will take 40hrs just to do the dis-charges. don't really care, due to the fact that I can leave the house now if need be but just wondering?

    EDIT
    1pm (7hrs) 168v same amp drawl down will edit hourly
     
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    9hrs 137v glad to see that it starts dropping faster (was worried it would take 24hrs to hit 17v when the time comes) only real complaint is, and this is a very small one, there are no "stops" at 134v 84v and 17v. i know i have it "close" to 134 so letting it run till it shuts it's self off just for testing purposes (don't want to be worries if I leave it running and goto work)

    EDIT
    stopped at 131V 3:10pm 9hrs 10mins total time + or - 3mins
    8hrs charge and balance starting now then dis- charger back on before bed
     
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    I noticed with my Intel-Charger, that when the discharge finished, and it shut off(although the fans still ran, and the lights were on) the voltage on the meter crept slowly up, so I didn't see it get to 134V, but by the time I took a look it was back up to 192V. I had questions about the fact that the setting knob was so small and exactly how critical was it to set the termination voltage accurately, and was told by Hybrid engineer that it was not especially critical, although he explained the need for 3 distinct discharges (to 0.8V/cell, 0.5V/cell, and 0.1V/cell) and how important it was to make sure the "balance phase" took place (i.e. not a bad thing to let it charge for a long time) It's all explained in the User Destructions, but some of it is a trifle obscure, and I'm a stickler for details (that's where the Devil is reputed to be! :rolleyes:) …and I think I might be slightly OCD :eek: - Jeff runs a great shop, and bends over backwards to help his customers (…even the OCD idiots like myself!) - Wil
     
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    I don't think you should let it discharge while going to bed, you don't want to leave it at a discharged state, the worry of reverse charge damage
     
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    I live about 1hr north of Columbus Oh. and the above quote applies for me also
     
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    point taken but this was the reason for buy the $650 dis-charger. hopefully Jeff will log on and comment
     
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    My thinking exactly! (…and if I'd had 4 Prii needing maintenance, I'd have bought it back in January instead of waiting until July!)
     
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    I think it's important to charge immediately after discharge. The intelligent discharge prevents discharging too low with too high of current. Not so you can sleep on it and leave it at a discharged state.

    But I'm sure Jeff will ring in
     
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    well it maybe charged when I go to bed but it won't be balanced so discharge in the AM anyhow 5.5 hrs and just now at 226V. I do not need the car on Monday so /shrug will finish it then
     
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    Hey all :) The Intelligent Discharger doesn't speed the process up much, but it makes it MUCH simpler. It allows the user to set the desired minimum discharge voltage, press go, and walk away. It automatically tapers the load down from 2.5A during normal operating range voltages to 200mA as the pack deep discharges. The low current load protects the battery and allows more energy to be extracted from the pack. As the pack descends through the deep discharge voltage range the voltage drop will accelerate.

    The Intelligent Discharger does enable overnight discharging. I agree that the time the pack is in a deep discharge state should be minimized, but a few hours is OK. We have many shops who are using these around the clock to service their customers cars. The ID will terminate the voltage when the preset trigger is reached, and the pack voltage will 'bounce back' after the load is removed. A bounce back of up to 40 volts is typical depending on how deep the pack is drained.
     
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    after thinking about it, overnight would never be a issue, at least for me it takes 9hrs, I haven't slept 9 straight hrs in YEARS!

    thanks for the input Jeff that means putting it on then going to work won't be a problem (it will shut off most likely before i get home but only for a couple Hrs)
     
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    2nd discharge is going ALOT faster 3.5 ish hrs in and at 159V. I hope this is normal same amps 0.20-0.21
     
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    OK since Jeff liked the post I guess 2nd discharge being faster in normal
     
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    Yes, normal. How long did the pack top balance before the second discharge cycle? The less time top balancing, the faster the subsequent discharge will go.

    Edit: Not sure why this took 10 minutes to post. Tried to reply sooner.
     
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    started CHARGING at 3pm yesterday and it seemed balanced at 9:55am total time charging 18-19hrs. I based when I thought it was done balancing base on the balance (readings on the charger) I did before starting the recon