Promoting Prius Prime by misleading about Prius PHV

yes, you can now see why it's going to be a challenge to move people into prime. the fud is a very high obstacle to overcome. simple commission for salespersons won't be enough.

 

Do you mean the back-seats of the Prime cannot be folded, or just that when folded, the surface is not flat? Sorry for not understanding you outright.

Jan

 

There is a little ~15-cm slanty slope down to the seat tops when down, due to the battery being higher.

so we have:
Gen4 w/ spare- Level rear floor when seats are down
Gen 4 no spare- Not level. Rear floor about 6-cm *lower* than seat tops when down (step up)
Prime no spare- Not level. Rear floor about 15-cm *higher* than seat tops when down (slant down)

 

You've fallen into the "if I don't have it, it sucks trap".

This is incredibly KISS. The car learns your destinations and activates EV+ mode without the driver even knowing or doing a thing.

 

Yes please provide some real world data that EV+ doesn't work or that it isn't KISS.

 

Tideland Prius mentioned in another thread that the Prime's EPA cargo volume was 19.75 cu.ft. Which puts it close to the C-max Energi.
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As too which is better, it depends on what the buyer needs the space for. The C-max looks to be better for groceries and luggage. The Prime will be better for bigger, bulkier stuff. Most people will find the Prime's length better than the C-max's height. Which could be said about the Insight2 vs the Prius c, and we all know how that turned out.

They can be folded, but the cargo floor is higher than their backs when down.

That's Ford's mode, correct? They also have it on the hybrids for improving fuel economy on regular trips. Toyota likely doesn't want to license it.

 

Yes. I found that it wasn't effective on the hybrid since all energy comes from gas. Running the battery SOC extra low getting home only meant running the ICE more on the next trip to get the SOC back up into the regular zone. It works much efficiently on the Energi where the low SOC is replenished from the wall and not gas.

Agreed but I was only responding to your posts which in a full circle sort of way gets back to your OP concerning dealing with misleading statements or uninformed opinions.

 

Have to disagree here, the CMax looks to do worse with groceries and luggage too. Can't recommend enough that potential buyers physically checkout the cargo room in person first.

I was amazed that the C-max Energi cargo area is so small. Were not talking about which better uses length or depth. There is something really wrong with the published numbers and they should be ignored.

The image below is representative of my experience- that suitcase is about the size of a regular suitcase, and it's pushed back as far as possible. That lower area can't fit grocery bags or suitcases, really just loose small objects. Based on known gen 4 Prius dimensions and the raised floor height, the Prime should fit two full suitcases without blocking the rear view and another if blocking the view.

 

I thought so too but pics posted on a forum showed me otherwise. Yes, I would love more space but it's not as bad one would think. Here's weeks' worth of groceries for my family of four.

 

Not trying to be competitive, but one could probably get quite a bit more groceries in the Prime. In my PiP I've done double that to similar level of fill, just sayin'.

 

personally, i would be happy with a screen prompt, 'engine will start in x tenths of a mile, override for up to x more tenths'?
it's not a big deal, but i have been within a few hundred feet of my destination several times when the ice fired.
also, i hope prime notifies of ice exercise ahead of time, so you can prepare for it. i don't like when it comes on just because i've hit the 124 miles, as i'm gunning it up an on ramp.

 

you're fortunate they designed one to your liking. i hope all the first time plug in owners enjoy theirs!

 

As I said, the Energi does the same thing: slowly spools up the ICE and lets it warmup without load while the remaining EV SOC propels the car and then blends in it. EV+ keeps this from happening if you nearly home and SOC meets the basic parameters. So simple. Coming up with a bunch of what if's only serves to mislead (OP).

If will be interesting to find out what new abilities Prime's EV Auto has. Energi's EV Auto programming being about 6 years older is rather dumb.