Why I won't buy a Tesla Model 3

There is an interesting discussion here, for and against autopilot. It's human nature to not pay attention to the road if the car drives itself.

Tesla’s Autopilot will get a significant update with version 8.0, following publicized fatal crash | Electrek

 

agreed. there will be a lot of unnecessary accidents until true self drivers come along.

 

This is misleading though.
By the numbers we have seen so far, vehicles with "auto pilot" have FEWER accidents than those without.
Are they perfect? No, or course not, but they are currently better than not having the technology.

 

What price is reasonable in US ?

 

agreed, i'm just thinking some people will intentionally pay less attention, whereas, in regular cars, some people pay less attention by habit.
or maybe, with auto pilot, it might not even be intentional, but you may have more tendency to drowsiness.

good question. i have never looked before. but when you said slightly more than model 3, i wa thinking around 40k. that's assuming that someone else already received all the incentives.

 

Good to know. Model 3 in Canada will not be 40k.

The S60 CPO are around 50K, even one at 47K. It's not that far.

 

thanks. elon has promised us model 3 at 35k, base. although some claim it will be years before a base model will be available.

 

I've heard when ABS became the norm on cars, tailgating increased. So the increased safety of ABS was negated by the shorter following distance. If we assume safety features make people take more risky actions, then the only safety device we should have on a car is the steel spike on the steering wheel.

 

agreed. i think volvo drivers engage in the riskiest behavior because they've been convinced that nothing can touch them.

 

ABS, ESP are features that engage only when driver has failed to predict certain situation.

Lane keep assist can be implemented in many ways, Tesla way is to steer automatically so driver don't have to, at first driver will keep attention to the road and observe if the system is good enough, when he finds it's good enough for all of his past situations, he will have other more important things to do than pay attention to the road, but then suddenly a trailer is over the road and driver gets beheaded.

More safe way to do lane keep assist is to annoy the driver every time a car must correct his mistakes. There is no soft transition between stupid and fully autonomous cars. If a driver is fully responsible for his actions, the safety systems must keep the driver driving the car at all times.

 

My brother has a new Tesla 90. During a self-drive demonstration, I was impressed.

The problem lies not with the technology, but the driver. Even airline pilots with years of auto pilot experience, remain alert. You cannot take a nap, or watch video's, or talk to the people in the rear seat.

 

This is, in my opinion, the biggest risk.
Some people misuse the technology, or misunderstand it and believe it is a replacement for the driver rather than an augmentation.

When properly used, I have heard from numberous owners, and experienced myself, that auto-pilot raises awareness and delays drowsiness (mainly experienced on long trips).

Hopefully the number of people that are safer, and avoid accidents due to auto-pilot outweigh the number of people that misuse auto-pilot and wind up in accidents.

 

Yet, some pilots have done that.

I think auto pilot might just be highlighting the attitude America has with driving. Many likely view it as a right. Then the country's expanse, and urban sprawl make it a necessity for most. So the process to actually get a license to drive is more lax than in other places. This can down play how serious people take the act of driving.

 

Yup, screwed again by evolving on a savanna where the self-driving cars were perfect...

Thank you kindly.

 

I think it's difficult to provide useful comments about Tesla's AutoPilot system without having significant time behind the wheel of a Model S/X with it enabled.

 

Another Tesla crash blamed on autopilot.
Though this one I'll probably side with Tesla that the driver didn't engage the autopilot at time of the crash. The driver simply blamed it on the autopilot because the car is equipped with one. He probably didn't know that Tesla actively collects data on driving behavior to enhance it's autopilot and the his model X was sending data home about that driving session which didn't include autopilot.

 

what a tool. So not only is he inconsiderate of his fellow motorists, evidenced by speeding enough to end up on a guardrail upside down - he's also a liar as well, saying that the autopilot was active. Maybe he should be driving a BMW (not an i3 though Bill they're ok ) as many of them are driving inconsiderately anyways. Then there's the whole issue of the attention-grabbing but untrue headlines saying that "another one is blamed" making you think that it's actually the car's fault - because otherwise you might not waste your time reading the thing .
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Actually, this one kind of helps Tesla by showing the world they can easily prove when a driver is BS'ing them. It should set an example to future Tesla drivers who crash (without AutoPilot engaged) and then try to blame Tesla.

 

reminds me of u/a, if only toyota had that tech at the time. 'i swear, i stepped on the brake, and the car just took off!'