Why I won't buy a Tesla Model 3

On a similar trip as yours, driving 60 to 65 mph, I get 70+ mpg in my 2012 PIP. And that is not good enough for me. T3 here I come!


The Merge-Father

About the same time they start advertising the model S or X.

Multiple centuries, I am a time traveler!

 

Don't care about the model so much as when the first commercials for any Tesla show up. Any guesses?

 

The production of the car probably produces more CO2 than the car itself will produce in its lifetime, especially for the Model S because of all the aluminum.

The best way to reduce CO2 emissions is to keep your car for 25-30 years.

 

Pure FUD, as bad if not worse than the "Hummer is more environmentally friendly than a Prius" FUD being spread years ago.

Yes, winter cuts into range, but no where near the levels you imply.
I'm not going to try to tell you a 200 mile BEV will work for you, but it works for an awful lot of people.

 

Did you even read what I wrote? It appears not.

It's winter + round trip because of no charging along the route + range reserve in case you get stuck somewhere on a closed road.

So, start with 250 miles of range, reduce it to, say, 200 miles for heat, then cut in in half to 100 miles because you have to go round-trip, then keep, say, a measly 50 miles in reserve and the distance you can travel away from that Supercharger is now 75 miles.

75 miles out, 75 miles back, 50 miles of range reserve.

 

I did miss the context, thank you for the clarification. Then your estimates are only a little off, not quite so huge.
It may be that won't work for you. With the number of superchargers currently in and around Denver I'd be surprised though.

Luckily, the market holds tons of people that have easier trip patterns than you.

 

I just realized the road trip I'm currently planning has a segment no Tesla could make. It goes from Hays, Kansas to Russel, Kansas to Hutchinson, Kansas to Kansas City, not passing through Salina, Wichita, or Topeka. So, that's 348 miles with no Supercharger or destination charger available.

There are two Supercharges in Denver, both on the opposite side of town from me.

Take a look down near Pueblo and then imagine going up toward Salida, Montrose and Telluride.

 

How long did it take for Amazon to make a profit? I guess that's why they went out of business years ago!

They have a Suercharger in Emmett, my parents and grandparents and great grandparents home town (pop. 200). Stop by Ashbaugh's General Store and Reilly's gas station and tell them Paul's great-grandson and Paul's grandson and Paul's son said "HI."

Link please

One of my hobby cars is 93 years old!

 

They aren't losing money. They've been about flat at zero, annually. That's quite a difference from an $800m loss.

Topeka would be closer, and it's not on the way.

 

Manufacturing a car creates as much carbon as driving it | Environment | The Guardian

"The upshot is that – despite common claims to contrary – the embodied emissions of a car typically rival the exhaust pipe emissions over its entire lifetime."

Aluminum is a big adder:

Energy Footprint of Car Aluminum Growing

 

You are correct, if you refuse to stop at superchargers along that route you could not make it.
While it adds 25 miles to the trip, stopping in Salina would make it quite comfortable in any S being sold today.

We drove through Denver on our way to California almost two years ago. Best road trip I have ever taken, we used only SuperChargers, however it would have been easy to use a public level 2 charger or RV park if we needed.

 

There aren't any Superchargers along that route according to Tesla's web site.

Why should I have to alter my travel plans due to the shortcomings of a very expensive car?I have another trip planned for next year that has a 354 mile leg between Supercharger stations and a 384 mile leg between Supercharger stations, and that's if I alter my route. If I don't, it's 729 miles between stations.

Flagstaff AZ, Grand Canyon, Mesa Verde, Sand Dunes, Pueblo, Colorado Springs.

Got another one - Santa Rosa, NM to Carlsbad Caverns and back - 470 miles round trip with no charging stations along the way.

These are trips I'm planning during the next 24 months.

 

Base.

 

I'm impressed you can find potential trips that don't have current coverage. We are planning trips to the Tesla museum in NY, Yellowstone and possibly Edmonton Canada over the next three years.
It's a bummer your trips don't have easy access to superchargers. When we take trips, we often make adjustments that take us a bit out of our way to go to certain hotels, restaurants, or sight seeing.
Going slightly out of our way for a supercharger seems a tiny issue.

My response here is not to convince you, but to clarify for anyone else reading that the ability for most exists today, and more superchargers are being built.

 

Tesla motors doesn't need to do any advertising at all, it is NOT necessary!!! Why to have such an huge overhead only to have a presence?
By the contrary, Toyota's expenses, to compete with ALL the other manufactures selling similar products and some crappy products, doesn't have enough zeroes in a single expression.
Do you have an idea who is paying for that giga enormous overhead?

 

If there were any, but there aren't.

 

wow, 35k for a base? they probably won't sell any. it will look good in a museum tho.

 

The majority of American car buyers prefer a trunk. I like hatches, but most that want that utility prefer a SUV/crossover thing. It is also easier, and takes less weight to make the body stiffer and cabin quieter with a trunk

Is there a movement to ban plug in hybrids that I don't know about? The people that worry about waiting too long at a fast DC charger are going to have multiple PHEV choices before they even see a hydrogen car.

Like gas stations, when lines form at DC fast chargers, more will be built.

90% or so of plug in owners charge at home, and the large majority of commuters' trip length is under half of a Model 3's range. Then for those in which BEVs just won't work, there are PHEVs.

It is 120mgpe only for the first 22 miles of that range, and an impressive 52mpg after that, but I'm not putting diapers on myself or the dog just I don't have to stop in 600 miles.

It's at 29% and dropping. Meanwhile, gasoline for that Prius is shifting to very carbon intense sources like tar sands and oil shale.

More evidence that the Prius Prime will be a car for the wealthy.

For those that have followed Tesla, this isn't surprising. The company has been charging for Supercharger access since the beginning. It was a $2000 option on the 65S, that was simply included on the 85S. Only the uninformed would have expected it to be 'free' on a base Model 3. The curious thing is if Tesla will offer Supercharger subscriptions for defined time periods, or stay with lifetime buy in for the car.

 

true, but that's not a trunk, it's a cd slot.