Some insider notes on the 2017 Prius Prime

How MPG when running only gas compares to non-Prime?

 

THE NEW PRIUS PLUG-IN HYBRID

• World premiere of the new Prius Plug-in Hybrid at the 2016 New York International Auto Show
• Longer running in EV mode at higher speeds of up 135 km/h, with double the range -now increased range of over 50 km
• Estimated average fuel consumption only 1.4 l/100 km -the best fuel efficiency of any current plug-in hybrid- and CO2 emissions of just 32 g/km
• TNGA (Toyota New Global Architecture) platform for a more engaging driving position and more precise and responsive handling
• Advanced technology flagship with world's first solar roof charging system and gas injection heat pump full-EV mode air-conditioning

Can't find solar roof charging information!

 

That converts to 168 mpg. Where do I pre-order? Strong tail-wind I presume.

 

Not sure about this calculation, it includes electricity!

 

Right, I was also assuming that. So this number tells us nothing.

 

Not sure how Toyota setup the normal hybrid mode (even in PiPv1). Does it mean one can get an average of 168mpg when in mixed hybrid mode with the battery still have power?

 

Under the same NEDC efficiency estimate formula, the 2011 Volt (2011 Ampera in Europe) got 196 mpg (US). Yes, it takes into account the EV range. The idea is to estimate the average number of miles driven per gallon of gasoline used by a typical driver who plugs in the car every night. It's not a measure of gas hybrid-only driving efficiency.

 

Does anyone know if the big screen will have the backup camera feature similar to Tesla? This is using the bottom part of the screen to show backup camera view at all time. That would sell some cars right there.

 

Which is likely easier done than said.

The US didn't get the AWD, nor the EV button until the gen2's refresh. I have been talking cost, but I suspect it is all because Americans are whiners in general. Despite explanations to the contrary, our expectations for these options would be too high, and when they weren't met, we'd be whining on the internet our even taking cars back to the dealer complaining about them.

What is a gas infection heat pump? Is it like a propane refrigerator?

 

danny's inside info thread says, same or better.

 

Commercially, gas injection (desuperheating) valves have been used for some time. Liquid is injected to cool the compressor head while maintaining system capacity. I do not have any experience using them in a heat pump, however.

 

solar roof looks good

 

supports CHAdeMO standard (JP info)... 80% charge in 20 minutes.

 

autoblog indicated Toyota said... "targeting a hybrid MPG equal to or better than the Prius liftback."

 

Japanese Prime page says 37km/l vs 37.2 km/l... so exactly the same, despite 300lbs extra weight compared to base Prius.

More info:
トヨタ 新型プリウスPHV | トヨタ自動車WEBサイト

Basically Prime is luxury version of Prius... faster acceleration despite the weight (someone might decipher it), extra sound deadening, solar charging, rear limo seats, all LED lighting including advanced adaptive high beams that can block only a portion of high beam (just appeared in new Lexus RX).

 

How much will it cost?
It looks nice and interesting: sadly I would not know where to plug it to here in Germany

 

I wonder, Toyota said "We're listening to our customers carefully."

Did some customers actually say "We want a four-seater" lol. I'ms till not over it.

And damn, those solar panels trickle charging the HV battery! That's nice! Imagine parked at a hotel through the afternoon or for a day. We've taken trips to hotels or parks where we're there all day (or a weekend). Even if we could get 4 miles EV per day...Well, it's the 1st iteration of the 2nd gen.

The only thing that changed in Gen 3 was how that middle console reacted, opening up to a cup holder versus sliding open.

Here's to hoping to a 5 seater and solar panels cheaper than the volt, haha!

 

That would work well for me since I can park my car out in the open. Too bad my G3 model 4 sunroof/solar panel does not do that.

 

That car looks awesome! Can't wait to see one.