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METI plans for 160 stations and 40,000 fcv by 2020

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    Japan Eyes 40,000 Fuel-Cell Cars, 160 Hydrogen Stations by 2020 - Bloomberg Business

    They expect 800,000 by 2030 when they expect a nation wide skeleton framework of hydrogen stations to be completed. To put this in perspective japan is a little smaller than california in area. That should make it much easier to cover in hydrogen stations. This does sound like a very expensive plan, but its cheaper than building a wall accross the mexican border ;-)

    It may be cheaper for the DOE to support the Japanese in their experiment, instead of conduct one in the US.

    2020 - Tokyo Olympics lets see how they do. I expect like vancouver they will build the stuff for the olympics. Will costs cancel the rest of the project afterwards as it did in north america? Or will they actually build out a nationwide network by 2030?

    In the mean time plug ins are doing better in japan this year with the leaf and outlander phev leading the way.
    Mitsubishi More Than Doubled Sales Of Outlander PHEV In Japan In February
     
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    40 thousand hydrogen cars in 3 1/2 years?!? Wow ... wish I could find a bookie somewhere to give odds that long shot.

    What ticks many US citizens off is the plug in outlander being delivered to the US is not going to have Chademo. It was kind of marginal with the available options ... but with the missing quick charge, they lost our dollars. Way too bad, but I think it'll still do great with many here in the US.
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    They mean end of 2020, or 4 years 9 months to go from 400-40,000. They have toyota, honda, and nissan to do it with partners bmw, gm, mercedes, and ford to kick in. In perspective tesla started making their first production car at end of 2012 but just in 2015 made over 50,000 bevs. Of course no fuel cell is in real production only serial, but it doesn't take that long. Its all about how much meti will pay. There are 3x as many plug-ins in japan right now than they are asking for fcv.

    ha. I don't think they will do it either. But its not that hard.
    mitsubishi doesn't do well in the US.
     
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    It's one thing for Toyota to give away only 110 Mirai's at ~ $50 loss apiece. It's another for all the manufacturers to give away 1,000's at that huge of a loss ... all the while pandering to politicians for 100's of millions more tax payer dollars to build infrastructure to support that many ... not that it's a real concern. Then again ... Toyota headquarters has moved to another state. maybe they can convince that state's legislature how great it'd be to give away all that free wind power to a better/hydrogen cause ... keep that freeeeee hydrogen a flowin' :eek:
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