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TDI vs Prius decision making

Discussion in 'Diesels' started by romad, Mar 10, 2016.

  1. romad

    romad 2004 Prīus Base Former Owner (Sold 13 May 22)

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    Yes, I did as a matter of fact if CARB had not banned the sale of diesels in 2004, I would have bought a 2004 VW Jetta Wagen TDI. The "Pry-us" (as our British cousins call them) was my second choice. Seven years later in 2011, I was able to pick up a fine 2005 Jetta Wagen GLS TDI that had been traded in at my local VW dealer. So far the TDI has been great except for the original battery finally dying one day but it WAS over 10 years old. I love it.

    The Prius has been a fairly decent car that does what we need, but there have been some major problems such as the inverter coolant pump going out and the steering linkage breaking (3 times in 6 months). The handling really sucks though. We've had it over 11.5 years and will probably keep it until the main battery goes; we'll downsize to a smaller car then.
     
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    Who is doing the repair?

    Are you near the San Francisco area? There are two excellent, independent Prius shops who might be able to help understand what is going on.

    So are you in 'retirement' phase and not needing to do so many miles? Just curious, how many miles on the 2004?

    Bob Wilson
     
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    If the inverter cooling pump and steering link is a "major problem" as you said, then what the failure of High Pressure Diesel Pump will be? Its over $5000 as i heard.

    - Alex
     
  4. Trollbait

    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    It would have to fail first wouldn't it?
     
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    Yes, you are correct
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    Since the OP was unlikely enough to have major problems with a Prius, he might be lucky enough to not have them with a VW.;)
     
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    I can see the inverter coolant pump going out b/c that was a recalled part...
    Prius Inverter Water Pump Recall C0U - Details for Owners - Luscious Garage | Hybrid Specialists

    What part of the steering linkage broke 3x in 6 months? The only thing that comes to mind are weak splines on the intermediate shaft, and that should be a one time fix.
    Prius Steering Intermediate Shaft Recall C0T - Details for Owners - Luscious Garage | Hybrid Specialists

    Have you had either of these recalls done at a dealership?

    I wouldn't be too worried about the main battery going out either. When it "goes", it's usually just one or two modules that have internal shorts from too much electrolyte leaking out. You can get it back into fighting shape by replacing the pair with the shorted module (You want to keep the pair balanced, so replacing only the shorted cell may not work).

    If you can DIY, it'll take a few hours and ~$60-100 for a used/balanced pair. You can don't DIY, I'd suggest sourcing a low mileage salvage pack from a newer car and finding someone to come out and swap the modules. That should run ~$1500. Or you can pay for a new pack at the deal (~$2500+?).
     
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  8. romad

    romad 2004 Prīus Base Former Owner (Sold 13 May 22)

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    The HPFP is only in the 2009 and on TDIs with the CR engine. In 2004 it was the PD design. Another drawback to 2009 and later TDIs is the DPF problem.

    The repairs were done by the dealer under warranty. I'm approaching 130,000. The Prius is my wife's car, my 1990 Miata is my car along with the Jetta Wagen TDI. I bought the TDI for one major and one minor reasons: First to chauffeur my late mother around when she gave up her license on her 92nd birthday in 2011; and second to have as a backup for my wife if the Prius is in the shop and I'm not around with the Miata (she can't drive a stickshift).
     
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    is that 'clean diesel'?
     
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    Believe there was a steering recall on the 2004's
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    Believe 2005 was the beginning of the cheatin' VWs.
     
  12. romad

    romad 2004 Prīus Base Former Owner (Sold 13 May 22)

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    The inverter pump broke several months BEFORE the recall (Toyota later reimbursed me for the repair). The steering first broke in November 2010 and the intermediate shaft, yoke sub-assembly, gear assembly and outer tie rods had to be replaced. They were able to do all repairs except one shim for the alignment. I had to take it back for that shim so technically it hadn't broken. Then in May 2011 as my wife backed out of the garage, she heard a snap and the steering wheel just spun in circles. They replaced the steering shaft assembly, yoke sub-assembly, and a cable sub-assembly. This time they absorbed the cost. They inspected the steering for 2006 recall and pronounced it OK; for the 2012 recall, they replaced a steering bolt.

    Nope. 2009 with the CR 2.0 engines. There weren't any 2007 or 2008 TDIs in the NA market.

    Yes, I wash it regularly! :D
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    My bad.
     
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    Not for nothing, the PD engines had problems with the cams and lifters. My '06 was one of them.
     
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    romad 2004 Prīus Base Former Owner (Sold 13 May 22)

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    The problem was using too light an oil. While VW specified VW 505.01 5W-30 OR 5W-40, it has been shown that use of 5W-30 resulted in the camshaft problem way more than the use of 5W-40. Add to that the fact that just about all VW dealer service departments just use bulk oil supplies rather than to myriad of prescribed oil specs, you not only got the 5W-30 weight, but also the wrong spec. The 505 and 507 spec oils do not meet the specification for the PD engine. The first is for the VE (pre-PD) and the second is for the CR (post-PD).
     
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    Nope, I did my own maintenance and used the 5W40. I only went to the dealer for warranty work and was there A LOT. When I traded it in for a 2009 CR, I went from the frying pan into the Volcano. The dealer gave me my own parking space for that car. I don't know if you remember the infamous collapsing oil filter thread on Fred's, if so, that was me. Besides just about everything else going bad on that car, after the third MU, I got rid of it.