Featured Hyundai IONIQ - Prius competitor?

Nissan's 30 Kwh is good for 107 miles; Hyundai IONIQ Electric Has A 28 kWh Battery, 105 Miles ...

 

funny how they have also gone with the darth vader/stormtrooper look.

 

The PHEV motor for the Sonata/Optima PHEVs is more powerful, so it isn't shocking that the Ioniq would be the same.

I'm guessing the 32 miles PHEV range will be 20 or so under EPA.

 

I thought they were saying they use very similar testing proc as the US' EPA? If so, the stated range should be very similar to the US' too, is it not?

SM-G900I ?

 

I get 22 trying to guestimate between 32 nedc to epa. But the sonata phev with 9.8 kwh pack gets 27 miles. Perhaps we get around that same 27 miles in a blended mode using 0.1 gallons of gasoline (really 22 electric 5 gas ;-) playing the prius phv trick) Anyone know the kwh of the ioniq phev battery?

This appears to be a 45kw motor in the ioniq, versus a 50 kw in the sonata,perhaps it is 90% the battery or 8.8 kwh? The 45 kw is a little disapointing, it limits the acceleration in electric only mode.

 

The 155 mile EV range for the BEV was for the European market, and thus from the easy NEDC test. A105 mile figure as come out for BEV. The PHEV range came from the same European source, and we haven't heard an EPA or Korean one yet.

With a BEV also being available, Hyundai doesn't need to make their PHEV an EREV. I figure 20 miles should be the lowest guess.

Then price is a factor in deciding if the EV range and performance is good enough. I think 20 miles for PHEV that might be higher in blended mode is the minimum the majority of plug in buyers will except. If the price is a noteworthy amount lower than similar competition, then more of those potential buyers might actually buy one.

 

I find your lack of faith disturbing, admiral...

 

Maybe I'm not concentrating hard enough, but I'm unable to keep up with the discussion and all the speculating. Too many standards, lack of uniformity in test; mention of techniques to distort the numbers, then there are PIP's, BEV's, EV's, PHEV's, EREV's, NEDC's, A105's.

My advise to Hyundai would be to make a definitive statement and put a stop to the estimates, assumptions, and speculations.

 

IMO it's not really a fault of Hyundai. It's a pretty big deal to be launching a new vehicle with 3 completely different drive trains. I can't think of any other car company ever doing that before. Their marketing guys are pushing piecemeal data out to try and stall people from buying a car until theirs are available, that's what marketing does. In the meantime they need to get all the different official certifications that each region/country requires and there's probably not a clean way to make that all happen at once.

 

Err... as per my post, have been officially declared that the battery is the same LiPo 9,8 kWh of the Sonata 2016 PHEV.
Beeing the Sonata a bigger and heavier car and not CX=0,24 for sure, what's the fuss about hypothizing a range for the Ioniq north of the 27 miles EPA estimate of the Sonata?

As per the BEV, we already discussed 3 times the thing that is straightfoward: with 28 kWh Ioniq Electric range must be identical to the range of the 30 kWh Leaf +/- 2 miles .

EDIT: Sorry i swapped 8,9 for 9,8...... it should be 90% of the 27 miles so we could start north of 24 miles.











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Trailer for the Trio, with some visual detail of the Electric (ie: button gear selector )

 

Hyundai is not doing it in this thread but the 'fan boys.' They are treating as gospel every press release or derived article. Yet we already know the 2016 Prius Toyota discussed in September of 2015 is different from what can be bought in February 2016 (where is the 4-wheel drive and TSS-P option on all levels?) So Hyundai will export the same car to the USA described in this thread, not bloody likely.

Personally, I look forward to the Ioniq being sold in the USA:

1. EPA generated/reported numbers - this means no more BS because it will be checked, if not by the EPA by the lawyers of new Ioniq owners.
2. "Reality testing" - real people reporting what is going on just as we've seen with the 2016 Prius early owners.
3. Putting it in "Other cars" - IMHO after 2-3 pages, moving to "Other cars" is long over due but justifiable if "News". Once USA Ioniqs are sold and on the road, any justification for keeping this thread in "News" evaporates. In contrast, a Gen-4 forum was started in September, long before the car was sold in the USA so "News" was not cluttered by the Gen-4 'fan boy' postings.

Bob Wilson

 

24 or 25 seem like reasonable estimates. Its hard to guess how much gas will be used, but at only 61 ps (45kw?) it will have to be slow acceleration to not use a little gas, but not much. Thanks for the real 8.9 kwh size of the battery.

I don't think the battery energy 8.9kwh is too low, and bmw and audi may be fine with the 17 miles (330e) or 16 miles (a3 etron). The beemer though has 65 kw of power in electric mode versus 45 kw for the hyundai. That will probably translate to being able to stay in electric mode with reasonable acceleration, which the surveys say people like to do. Its probably about the battery chemistry as bmw has a smaller (in terms of engergy) battery which is one reason for the shorter range. My guess is with the ioniq phev you can only pull geo metro numbers for acceleration without getting the engine to fire up. Add anouther kwh to the ioniq battery and cost would not go up to an american customer, and the motor and inverter could be shared with the sonata phev, but perhaps there was not room in the car. Definitely these cars should have a blended mode for better acceleration. The bmw gets to 60 in 6.1 seconds when it blends only a little slower than its non electrified version.

 

1) I don't see how comparing the Korean numbers for the Ioniq to the Korean numbers for the gen3 Prius can be called BS. Korea uses the EPA cycles, but the test rules might be different. If those are the same, then the only thing that can change the Ioniq results on the EPA is different equipment in terms of tires, wheels, and added weight for the North American model.

3)I am surprised it wasn't been moved when an Ioniq thread started up in Other Cars.

 

Trollbait - Re moving the Ioniq thread:

We are on page 38 already. Good or bad, positive or negative, it has generated more recent interest than the G4.

 

It turns out to be easy to count the 'recent interest':

• search "ioniq" in "News" reports - 1 thread
  
  • 753 replies
• search "prius" in "Gen 4 2016 Toyota Prius Forums" - 101 threads, with reply counts:
  • 67, 7, 134, 1, 171, 39, 19, 7, 110, 6, 10, 77, 15, 43, 16, 27, 2, 19, 12 . . . 782 replies on 1 of 6 pages of threads

Of course this math was done in the USA, not Korea.

Bob Wilson

 

Well, there are 2 Ioniq threads in Other Cars. Leaving this one in the news sections seems to be encouraging posting any new info in its depths.

Do you have a reason to distrust Korean math?

 

You're right, not Korean, just Ioniq arithmetic. My Huntsville based, Korean operated dry cleaner does an excellent job.

Bob Wilson

 

Do you have a reason to not trust the Korean mpg ratings of the Ioniq(47.5 and 52.7 depending on wheel size) and the gen3 Prius(49.4)?

 

EPA US Ford Hybrids were off, I too rest a doubt in domestic brands ratings.

 

105mi for 28kwh battery pack would be 3.75 mi/kwh for the Ioniq EV (according to EPA). EPA says the 2012 Nissan Leaf gets 2.94 miles/kwh. Many Leaf owners report much better real world mileage so the EPA's figure is probably conservative. In Tucson we pay about 10 cents per kwh for electric and about $1.30/gal for 87 RON gasoline, so that's 2.67 cents per mile fuel cost for the Ioniq EV. If the Ioniq HEV gets ~50mpg, that's 2.6 cents per mile fuel cost. Why would anyone buy the EV, with all the range constraints, higher inital cost, and big depreciation, or even the PHEV?