Why America Must Build the Car That Overtakes a Tesla

let's get off the merry go round.

 

I thought that America was building the Tesla.

Elon Musk in a naturalized citizen---right?

 

And Tesla will be building their own batteries soon enough; in Nevada.

Hydrogen plus fuel cells might work for storage of off peak renewables, but fuel cells for cars is going to need a liquid at ambient fuel. The tanks for compressed gases simply are space hogs. Which is simply on top of their required infrastructure.

So did Solandra and A123.
We can also build a Monorail.

 

Will a FC design be able to meet the torque/power requirements for hauling and towing while also matching this range? Tank size/packaging? Unless very, very low pressure, they always have to be round, correct?

 

It's easy to make solar H2 at home...just put the + - wires off a solar cell or AA battery into water, and watch the bubbles evolve. One approach is to suck up the H2 in hydride clyinders, which I am fuzzy on why this is not used more. I believe one commercial FCV in Europe was supposed to be hydride based, but I don't think it moved ahead.

Reminds me you can get solar H2/hydride toy cars maybe I look into that for Xmas.

 

Yes it's possible but is it realistic?

Double the range of the current Mirai 5kg load, so 10kg needed but a larger, heavier truck with poor aerodynamics wouldn't be nearly as efficient so lets up the tank(s) to 15-20kg size. But for hauling/towing, the truck is going need a lot more power than the Mirai thus more fuel needed so 25-30kg tanks? At current $10-15/kg, that's about $250-400 fill ups!

 

The tanks are cylinders or spheriod because these are the most efficient shapes in terms of weight and cost for containing such high pressures.

I think the issue now is cost. There are portable systems available. Brunton Hydrogen Reactor™ | Brunton
The $150 gets that fuel cell and two hydrogen cores. Each core can charge three iPhones. Additional cores are $15, and the core recharger is $280.

 

Toyota even built one of their fcv with hydride tanks. The problem right now is cost, but maybe in just 10 years ...

The reason you won't see home refueling is safety will make the cost way too high. Sure you can make a little hydrogen, but if you are making enough to fill a fuel cell vehicle you need to check leaks, build rugged, etc, making the sytstem cost very high.

Horizon Fuel Cell Technologies

seems like from the reviews you need a lot of patince to get the hydrogen toy car to work

 

With articles like this, SolarH(2)Ype should continue to be ignored.

 

Oh, and the car that overtakes the Model S (the Model 3) is on the precipice of being built.

 

no sinking way ! ! ... Toyota LOVES the hydrogen merry go round - no matter how many tax dollars, & no matter how many decades yield the same result as this;

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hyper solar stock is at $0.02/share. With 200 shares you might be able to buy a cup of coffee but couldn't pay the commission.

I think you are more likely to win the lottery than make money on hyper solar.

 

Its only been 5 decades and lots of progress

Range up from 120 miles to 312 miles (miari on tougher test)
Top speed 70mph. 111 mph (mirai)
Exploding tank replaced by one they fire bullets into.

Is this 49 year old fcv in a museum?

This stuff may all work in another 50 years.

 

1st, as mentioned, hydrogen is NOT zero emissions because they're converting hydrogen from coal or natural gas.
2nd, there is an upgrade now for the Tesla Roadster, that gets 400 miles. That's 400 miles w/out having to turn around half way - only to have go back to one of the few natural gas stoked hydrogen stations. Numerous EVs have already traveled the US from north to south & from east to west - very decent times what with all the CHAdeMO & supercharger stations now available, and still growing. So plugins can go further then fuel cells, because they require a trillion-dollar tax paid infrastructure that will never come about, due to its ungodly cost.
3rd, excess wind energy can be stored in the Tesla power wall - which is US made, contrary to this dishonest author (but he's tied to the hydrogen lobby - so - sadly, that's to be expected) which implies (despite the gigafactory about to come online) only non-US countries make batteries. Fact is, folks can buy a more efficient Tesla power wall in the thousands (of dollars price range) for excess wind power, or you can spend six figures for burning natural gas to convert it into hydrogen for the costly - 6 figure, relatively low electric output fuel cell. Sure, you can get heat off of it for northern winters, but the thing will have to be cooled down if used in hot areas - making that heat a complete waste - so at best that's an equalizing offset.
4th - the author tries to beat the foreign drum issue (albeit discounting the powerwall & other US backup systems) when it comes to making batteries abroad - yet failed to mention that the $100,000 hydrogen test vehicles on the road are all foreign.
Lastly - the title of the OP ... Gotta beat Tesla - with natural gas & coal stoked, expensive to build & maintain hydrogen cars - made in other countries. 'nuff said.
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we'll see how vdub does next year.

 

Same as all other justification of FCVs over BEVs. Just leave out the numbers and depend on the handwaving arguments.

 

Did somebody say Monorail?.....