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Using a 60 as a benchmark is odd, as it is no longer sold.



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Ah, my mistake, I thought this comparison was using U.S. Average fuel costs.
Even though the 60 is no longer sold, on U.S. Average grid costs it comes in at $1.05 to drive 25 miles.

If looking at specific costs for individuals, our cost to drive 25 miles is about 50 cents.


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I would second that! I would like nothing better than that price be available for all energy.

 

This is weird, because I put in the same exact values as you did and got $1.17 for 25 miles for the 2010 Prius, and $1.05 for 25 miles for the Tesla. I'm wondering if fueleconomoy.gov automatically adjusts costs estimates based on your location, taking into account average electricity or gas prices...

 

There is another tool at the site that lets you plug in your zip code.
I'm guessing that was used to generate those values.
Perfectly valid, for that zip code, not so much as a general statement about the cost to fuel each car in general.

 

No it doesn't; you have to punch your own costs in "Personalize".

My electricity rate is $0.16/kWH, and last tank was for $2.05/gal

 

Than you should look into electricity costs in markets EVs sold at, not at Wyoming where there may be 1 Tesla.

 

I'm fine with that too. Although if you are looking at fuel costs where EVs are sold, you should use the same measure when looking at CO2 emissions.

 

The default values that fueleconomy.gov auto populated for electricity and and gas prices for me were 12 cents a kWh and $2.36 a gallon for regular gas. When I actually tweak the values under personalize ($2.50 a gallon and 10 cents a kWh), the Tesla is 87 cents for 25 miles, and the 2010 Prius is $1.25. I actually pay less than 10 cents a kWh because I have solar on my rooftop, but 10 cents a kWh is an available rate that PG&E has for EV owners who charge overnight.

 

I'm not trying to take a fanboy position on this. Fuel cells are a critical element of a sustainable future. I would expect them to be a core technology of many vehicles. I see few folks here taking an anti-fuel cell position based on the technology. The problem is all the deception and political overreach claiming they are superior to EVs. Those claims need numbers, evaluations, metrics, and other quantifiable specifics to show that point. Where are those? Most all of them are future extrapolations (or fantasies). On the other hand, EVs have a lot of real numbers, evaluations, metrics and other quantifiable specifics to show exactly their strengths and weaknesses today.

 

The point is exactly what I asked. What is the link between them. If gas does go to $20/gal in the next 10 years, how much does that affect electricity prices? Why? That linkage or lack of linkage will have a big impact on the future of EVs.

 

take out the tesla and add the leaf and the leafs cheaper

 

By far! If the range meets your needs, it is one of the best buys out there.

 

that's what I did; a couple of my neighbors own Tesla.

 

it's a big if. BTW iMEV and Spark EV are much better deal then Leaf

 

we're not far away from 200 mile, $30,000. bevs.

 

Oil prices are unlikely to go up to much more than $100/barrel (some say they will stay below $60 next 5 years). At $100 gas will stay below $4 in current dollars. We will need a double digit inflation to get to $20, and if it happens electricity will be adjusted accordingly.

 

it's like climate change. some people understand it, and a lot of people don't.

 

you can buy iMEV for $16k and $600 generator to fix Range exiety.

 

I am not saying BEV isn't an answer; I am just saying as is it is a bad answer.