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06' Prius SOC at highway speeds

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by dcrabtree, Aug 16, 2015.

  1. Dino33ca

    Dino33ca Member

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    Dcrabtree, it sounds like your re-manufactured battery is going south. If you can get it replaced for nothing that's great. If not, imo, you should put a brand new battery in her, seeing that you've got such low mileage and it's been maintained properly. With a new hybrid battery, you should easily get another ten years out of your Prius...
     
  2. Sarge

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    Hi there,

    Sounds to me like the HV battery is starting to fail, as that sounds very similar to what I experienced; rapid fluctuations between very high and very low charges (on flat terrain with consistent speed). About 2 weeks later, my HV battery failed (dash lit up like a Christmas tree and "Problem" appeared across top of MFD) and as a result had 4 cells replaced and I have been good as new ever since.

    The good news is the car did NOT strand me, I could still get home, albeit a bit hobbled and little power once the electrical motor disengaged (had to reboot the car several times to get back to 'normal' mode).

    3 different Toyota dealers quoted me a full replacement packs - over $3K with labour - but fortunately I found a private mechanic specializing in Prius who could rebuild the battery for me for a fraction of the cost... :)
     
  3. dcrabtree

    dcrabtree New Member

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    Just an update on situation with this issue. Had the car into the dealership yesterday. Needless to say they ended up as stumped as I am. They did get the car to exhibit the problem, which was helpful in what diagnosis they could do. They tested the HV battery pack and found no issue with it. They had it in the shop most of they day and sent snapshot data to Toyota for help on the problem. Of course, once Toyota found out it was a reman battery they didn't want anything to do with it or offer support. However, the guys at Toyota did begrudgingly give the local dealer tech some advice/support on what to look into. In the end Toyota is blaming the battery (which is predictable). I get the impression that my local Toyota dealership isn't really in agreement with the hybrid battery being the problem since it had tested fine. But they are between a rock and a hard spot with Toyota not offering any support on the issue because of the reman battery. Their advice was to either go ahead with the battery replacement, or......go ahead and drive the car as is (just occasionally hit the brakes on long trips) and see if the car throws any codes in the future that may point them in the right direction.

    I guess now that I know that the cells in the HV pack are fine, I will just go ahead and drive it and see what (if anything) pops up. One thing I may try is disconnecting the 12v battery for 15 minutes or so and let the computer reset. Is there any harm in doing this? I'm sure I will lose my radio presets, etc. I doubt resetting the computer would help anything, but I would be willing to try it.
     
  4. Sarge

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    My first disclaimer is I am in no way a Prius tech, so take what I say with a grain of salt. :)

    Sorry to hear it is inconclusive, I am in a similar predicament with a mysterious red triangle which is not throwing any trouble codes and the car is otherwise driving fine (I put another thread on this -(Red Triangle, no DTC, car drives fine? | PriusChat).

    My thought is that the problem is still your battery, it just hasn't reach a threshold low enough to trigger a fault. Like I mentioned earlier, I noticed this behaviour for a couple weeks before it finally failed. So you may need to wait it out for now. When I was with my mechanic and he had his computer hooked up to the car, he showed me the voltages on all the cells and it was clear a few of them were fluctuating quite wildly. Of course, this was after the failure, but I suspect it may have looked abnormal as well just prior, just not as much.... Again, just my opinion.

    The good news though is if this is the same issue and the battery fails, your car will likely still be able to move, but you will want to get it to the shop as soon as you can to prevent any further damage due to failing cells.

    Or I could be completely off base. Lol. :)

    Good luck!
     
  5. rwhyde

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    I am not sure if you continue to experience this issue with unusual discharging or if a deeper issue has presented itself. I own a couple or Prius now, a Gen I my son drives with 180k miles on it and I drive a 2006 Gen II with 148k on it. I also buy these vehicles fix them and sell them. For a Gen II it is unusual for them to need a battery at 100k. Oh, I forgot to mention I live near Fort Worth, so am most familiar with vehicles that have experienced hot temperatures, which also impacts battery life. Certainly the Toyota dealers have the best equipment to scan and analyze the Prius battery and electronics. What they may not be exceptionally experienced with is diagnosing issues specific to Prius as they work on a broad range of Toyotas and the Prius has. Number of unique features. I agree of course those features span Prius, Camry, Highlander and even Avalons. They are also challenged to do a diagnosis quickly and move on so they make their paycheck. The very common issue for Gen II vehicles around this mileage that provides some unusual symptoms is the failure or beginning failure of the inverter coolant pump. It being an electric motor driven device, may begin to fail by slowing down or stopping intermittently. This causes the inverter to overheat slightly at first and confuses the electronics. When final failure occurs, it sets a code and check engine light, but causes all sorts of issues prior to that all which appear to be battery related. There are all sorts of posts on replacing and diagnosis of these pump failures. They are easy to replace if you just clamp off the hoses to it, one can change them and lose very little coolant in 30 to 45 minutes. I will say they run all the time if the car is in drive mode, so they do get a good bit of wear. Monitoring inverter temps and ensuring this pump is good as well as ensuring air flow through the battery pack is a good thing.
     
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