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Enginer PHEV kit Rebuilt with quality components and new batteries

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Accessories & Modifications' started by Jason in OZ, Jan 9, 2014.

  1. Jason in OZ

    Jason in OZ Active Member

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    so.... we reinstalled the converter this afternoon.
    green light still comes on, but no current....

    the strange thing is, that with the converter plugged into the batteries, it will measure 250v on the output (no load)
    but, once plugged into the HV battery in the Prius, there is NO POWER.....and no current shows up on the SG2....

    this is getting frustrating, fast.....

    i wish there were someone local that could help me with this.
    i have no idea what to do next.....
    still cant afford the replacement unit from acrel.... and im not even sure it would be a plug'n'play swap....
    i have looked at the images on Alibaba, and it appears to have different wiring out to the BMS.....

    Jason.
     
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    Hi Jason,

    Maybe a stupid question, but there is a 20A fuse on +(red) wire going from the converter to OEM NiMh battery located inside black plastic fuseholder.
    Have you checked this fuse? Be CAREFULL - there is 220V DC present whenever converter or Prius is on.
    The easiest way to check if converter is operational is to disconnect it from OEM battery and connect black and red cables to 230V/100W incandescent lamp. The light should come on when converter green LED comes on. This is light load for the converter. For the converter output voltage adjustment 230V/500W heater was suggested by Jack Chen.

    Jacek.
     
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    Thanks for the tip about the fuse in the external positive wire to the nimh HV battery.

    I thought that was just an RF choke.
    I'll look in there tomorrow.

    There is power out of the DC converter under no load conditions. Tested that today with DMM.

    I'll check for that external fuse tomorrow.

    Jason.
     
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    You should really test the converter output with a load, an electric heater or a water heater element submerged in water.
     
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    I agree with the load suggestion. When my converter went bad, there was no visible indication- no fused fuses, popped caps or burnt coils. It had Vo if I recall correctly (that was 4 or so years ago), but no current.

    On another note- if this thing actually does get going reliably, I think the next natural step would be to implement a Rasberry Pi with BT and write a simple BMS reporting app for Android similar to Leaf Spy. Any thoughts on that?
     
  6. Jason in OZ

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    I don't really need a better BMS or a way to read the bms as I have a screen up front already from the bms.
    I just need the converter repaired.

    If I can't get it repaired, I'm just gonna pull the system out and sell off the batteries, bms and charger to someone on the local EV scene.

    I'll just start saving for the next car (an EV of some kind) and drive the prius as a regular hybrid for the next 3 years. It still gets great fuel economy without the plug in kit.

    My dilema right now is that the cost of a replacement converter is prohibitive.
    So much so, that I don't think I would recoup the cost over the next few years of ownership.

    So I'm at a point now where I'm almost ready to call it on this one.

    Jason.
     
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    how much?
     
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    I don't really need a better BMS or a way to read the bms as I have a screen up front already from the bms.
    I just need the converter repaired.

    If I can't get it repaired, I'm just gonna pull the system out and sell off the batteries, bms and charger to someone on the local EV scene.

    I'll just start saving for the next car (an EV of some kind) and drive the prius as a regular hybrid for the next 3 years. It still gets great fuel economy without the plug in kit.

    My dilema right now is that the cost of a replacement converter is prohibitive.
    So much so, that I don't think I would recoup the cost over the next few years of ownership.

    So I'm at a point now where I'm almost ready to call it on this one.

    Jason.
    If I do decide to sell the bits, I would hope to get at least $1200.
    There are 32 40ah cells those alone are worth $74 each at current prices.
    Then the charger was about $500. The bms was extra again.

    I'll make a decision over the next few weeks.

    Jason.
     
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    apologies, how much is a new converter?
     
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    Hi Jason,

    Have you tried the old enginer website to see if there are any used converters lying around that no one is using from broken kits with dud batteries. I haven't logged on there for some time but last I looked there were a few guys selling the odd part.
    Unfortunately with the kit it has always seemed the converter is the heart and the main weakness off the system.
    You've obviously spent out a great deal already on rebuilding the kit, and you really like th phev hobby, how's about a slight change in direction.
    Buy more batteries of the same type and self build a bms+, it doesn't look that difficult and it is quite cheap ( apart from the batteries, I would worry too much about a battery management system to add extra cost.

    I had the enginer kit sold it and went in I similar direction, but I purchased a used plug in supply kit from the classified ads here. I bought the batteries again used, haven't got a management system, just monitoring, and it is working very well. Other members also like the bms2 hybrid interface method. I thin ths can be self built for a couple of hundred dollars.

    Just a thought that's all for you, rather than loose loads on selling your kit. The batteries will always have a value even if you kept them and stored them, and maybe in the future use them in a battery store from solar too.
    I for sure wouldn't sell my batteries and loose. Fortune on them, they are too valuable to me, as they don't sell discharge and have a good life expectancy, you never know in then u future of you may need them.

    I wish you well in whatever you decide to do. Hopefully a used conveter will show up somewhere and you can continue running what you have got.

    Good luck mate.
     
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    Hi everyone.

    Sorry it's been a while since I have posted anything here.

    In the end, I did pull the system out and sell off the bits that were still good.
    I will be looking to go back to PHEV sometime in the future, once funds become available.
    Probably be looking at a system like the plugin supply one.

    I will have to buy the system in parts as I can afford them.
    Likely buy the front and rear controllers and contractors etc from plugin supply,
    Then build the rest from locally available parts.

    I will most likely be wanting the 10kwh system.
    I would have really liked to have been able to just hang on to the batteries, but I don't have the room at home to store them for possibly years while I build up the funds for a re think of the phev system.

    I got a return of about 50% on the cells. Not great, but not the worst.

    I'll be back here on Prius chat once I start acquiring the required parts for the next phase.

    Jason.
     
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    Hi Jason,
    You may want to consider using Ewert Energy, Orion BMS with their HEM (Hybrid Energy Manager). It may be worth talking to Nilco2 in Australia for sourcing parts.
     
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    I did actually try to contact nilc02 when I needed a new DC-DC converter.
    Several emails over a few weeks went un answered.

    So I gave up on them.
    I'll not be trying again.

    When and if the funds become available, I'll likely be going with something like the plugin supply system, but with a ZEVA bms.

    I fully don't expect to have any spare cash available until the middle of next year at this stage.
    So it's quite a while off yet. And even then, I'll have to be buying parts as I can.
    I won't have the cash to buy a complete set of parts in one go.

    Jason.
     
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    Hi Jason,
    It's a shame about your stiuation.
    I think rob at pis now does a front controller and a Plc as a rear controller, not sure on prices.
    Then maybe keep a search going for a crashed Nissan Leaf and try to buy the battery pack complete, and use those cells.
    This is what I have done recently, out of the 48 cells in the leaf I am using 32 of them is series, again nut using a bms with balancing, only monitoring cell voltage and pack voltage, a bms adds maybe a £1000 to the project.
    I hope you find a solution, although with used electric vehicles now readily available and getting affordable, maybe the hobby phev route is uneconomical.
    Ie, used Nissan leafs in the UK are selling for around & £7000, you would have paid that for 24kwh of batteries alone not too long ago.

    Anthony.
     
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    I would love to own a leaf.
    But here they are still big $. If you can find a used one.

    A 2012 leaf with 68,000 km is on carsales right now for $28k.

    That's a bit more that I can afford.
    Quite a bit more.

    They were a 60k car here new.

    Jason.
     
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    I cannot blame them if you did not get an answer. They installed several Enginer Kits using their own label and suffered deeply in warranty service. They refused to sell me a DC Converter a long time ago when I was using an Enginer kit. I assume they had no confidence that a DC Converter would last. But they were good enough to sell me a brand new RFE battery pack. I spoke to Corrie from Nilco2 at this email address: [email protected]

    Anyhow here is the best example of a blog of a Plug In Supply install I can find, very informative EVPlus - Prius Conversion Blog

    Alternatively you could try building a BMS2 at this link: Hybrid Interface 2013 | Page 2 | PriusChat

    Good luck
     
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