Toyota negative on batteries because it has more experience than other others on them

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Has the ones planned up to 2016.

 

In that case we have to reestablish the norm because people doesn't want to be confused -and- they want to know how much money they put in their car per mile.

If U are more conspiracy minded there might be certain people who don't want us to know how things work and are associated. There interest lies in creating more havoc in already complicated subjects like HEV, EV and FCV technologies. That's what they are paid for... ;-)

 

So when did the weight problem disappear? That's news for me!
And recharge cycle degradation, isn't that a problem anymore?

 

EV batteies are heavy, expensive, hard to manufacture etc etc Here is an old(2013) but still good link expanding on the EV-FCV battle:

Toyota’s Hydrogen vs. Tesla’s Batteries: Which Car Will Win?

Well, now I have read the whole thing, FCVs will win in the end, sorry Tesla...

 

It depends what you mean by "problem".
The Tesla battery pack is definitely heavy.
Tesla uses that weight to its advantage, so in many ways it is a benefit not a problem.
The benifits are that the Tesla's center of gravity is very low, improving both handling and safety.
They also use it to stiffen the chassis, further improving handling.

Tesla also uses mainly aluminum in the car, lowering its weight. Overall, the weight of the Model S is about the same as the Audi A8 (similar size).

 

Have you priced a replacement fuel cell recently ?

 

really? you know someone who drives their tesla from the northeast to florida and back every winter?

 

i know it seems silly, but if we're going to drag the common man into the ev world, we need terminology they can understand. things like kWh and mpge need to go behind the user interface.

 

It is a lot easier to learn a new unit than to translate into an old one. This is particularly true in the case of kWh since our electric bills are already in that unit measure.

MPGe is a joke, meant to fool GM customers into thinking they are 'green.'

 

but the cars already come with an ev mile estimator.

 

Hello Sage!
Answering your question:
No, but I read somewhere that Panasonic don't sell cells to anybody but Toyota?
If that's the case, we have a problem, so far I have found nothing.
The monitoring/charge control system is anyway interesting, I was playing with the not so possible option to replace the NiMh-cells with Lithium but that will most certainly mean you have to reprogram the battery control system. It's probably not possible, at least not with any guarantee left. The good thing is that Lithiumcells have better characteristics and Toyota have, I believe, done it themselves in their PlugIn-versions.

 

fuel cell is hydrogen, not battery cell.

 

Tesla Model S NY-To-FL Winter Getaway, Via Supercharger
Tesla Model S: NY-To-FL Trip, From Home To South Carolina
Tesla Model S: NY-To-FL Trip, Day 3, South Carolina To Florida
Tesla Model S: NY-To-FL Trip, Day 4, Florida Destination--Made It!
Life With Tesla Model S: NY-FL Supercharger Road Trip, Returning

In early 2014 the east coast Boston to Miami route was completed.

And he did the trip in late Jan 2014 and came back the same basic route in early Feb. 2014, meaning he had to do it in the cold when range is worse.

I guarantee you there are more superchargers on that route now than there were in 2014 and if he did it others followed.

 

I do. The article starts on page 4. It is also the January 2015 link here: Newsletter Archive

 

cool, thanks guys!

not being negative, but this won't work for my wife and i, who are pro ev, so i suspect, it's gonna be awhile before non ev people, who just want to get to florida, and it's already a hassle in a gasser, decide that a bev is viable.

and honestly, this isn't going to convince anyone at toyota that it will be viable in ten years, which was my original point, way back in 1964.

 

Go to EV Trip Planner and play around with it. You'll see it is much better now than it was in 2014.

I don't know his starting point so I'm going to pick a random address near there and say 1964 U.S. 44, Modena, NY 12548 to 4000 South Nova Road, Port Orange, FL 32127

EV Trip Planner (evxb trip from NY to FL)

other than the Savannah to St Agustine leg you can literally drive the S85 as fast as you want. Do 100 mph if it makes you feel better the supercharger will charge you back up faster than you can drive it out. You'll have to tone it down to about 80 mph for that one leg though.

He doesn't have the S70 programmed in but you can use the 21" tires 85 version to get close enough to the range estimate of a S70 with 19" tires. Or you can use a S60 with 19" tires and just let it route conservatively.

 

Thanks, living in Minnesota I don't know anyone personally that makes that trip. I am glad others posted some examples.
I certainly was not saying it will work for you right now. I was simply saying it does work for some. And that "some" is growing in size every year.

 

I have to admit that I am skeptical of how well super chargers scale, as the number of EV owners increase. When all is said and done, they are expensive buggers to install. I cannot ever imagine them being put in as a profit venture.

 

On the thought of mph charging I did a trip from NC to TN in a Nissan Leaf. It was about 200 miles and there was no way to avoid charging on L2.

Charging at "11 mph" meant it was "faster" to get home by driving slower. If I could drive 15 mph on the interstate I could have skipped 2 hours sitting still doing 0 mph to gain "11 mph" charge.

In reality I couldn't drive less than 40 mph without getting rear ended by a semi. So I did pull off and charge instead of doing 15 mph on the interstate.

The old Leaf has a 3.x KW charger. With a 6.x KW charger the Leaf charges at "22 mph" it'd cut the 2 hours down to 1 but I'd still have to drive slow to avoid extra charging.

Once your charge rate is faster than your discharge rate it becomes a non issue to stop and charge.

as you can see there is a large gap between L2 charging and the speed limits on our roads.

But even a lowly Leaf can charge at decent speeds on a L3 if it has the Chademo port. On my trip I did chademo 3 times, once was free at a Nissan Dealer and twice on greenlots

You have used 13.7 kWh for 0 hour(s) 34 minute(s). (97 mph)
You have used 9.0 kWh for 0 hour(s) 25 minute(s) (86 mph)

The second one was slower on average because I wasn't close to empty and was just topping up to prepare for the L2 leg of the journey.

If there was a another L3 between there and home I would have been able to drive much faster and skipped several hours of charging.

Oh and the last reason people talk in mph is that on L3 DC charging the amps and volts will vary during the charging session. On L1 or L2 its a fixed rate start to finish. On L3 the charge starts out quick and slows down so it adds more layers of complexity because you can't even state a fixed amount of KW per minute let alone KW per hour.