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Ok, so how many of these are necessary?

Discussion in 'Prius c Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by Species5618w, Jul 8, 2015.

  1. Species5618w

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    Just spent $300+tax for maintenance work at 50K km.

    Got asked to do the following extra (all in $Cnd)

    Cabin Air filter: $26
    Brake fluid: $130
    Alignment (slightly off center, did it once last year already): $130
    Fuel system flush: $190

    I am guessing all (maybe except the air filter) is unnecessary? Delay alignment until tire replacement?
     
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    You already know the answer. All, Except for cabin air filter. I do tire alignment after changing the tires unless there is evidence of uneven wear.
     
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    Those items you listed add up to over $300, did you do something else that added to $300?

    You don't need any of those items at such low mileage. Alignment only if you feel it's off, many places give free alignment checks so you can check before doing it. Cabin air filter is very easy to do, takes a couple minutes if you buy the part yourself.
     
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    not a bad price for the filter, installed. how much is the part?
     
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    No, just the maintenance service itself (i.e. check and clean brakes, fluid, oil change etc..) is a little less than $300 incl. taxes and I have to do it every 16K km (about 10K miles). Sigh, Canadian rules. I also have to do oil changes every 8K km (about 50K miles) because our climate is so much harsher than that of Buffalo I guess.

    These are extra. Adds up to over 800 incl. taxes.

    The guy was apparently wrong about the filter, he meant air filter, not cabin air filter (although he clearly said cabin air filter over the phone). They charged me $57+tax for the cabin air filter in the end since my wife said yes to that yesterday.
     
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    $800???? You really need another mechanic. The cabin filter price of $57 is crazy, it's $7 on Amazon, maybe $15 at the dealer. Takes 2 minutes, goes right behind the glove box.

    $800 plus $300 = $1100+

    Why would you need to dump $1100 into a newish car without any issues? Your owners manual is your best friend. Stick to those maintenance recommendations.

    I spent less on putting a transaxle in my 2005 Prius.
     
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    I know!

    The cabin filter is $33 at the dealership + $24 labor to replace. Crazy!

    The $800 would include the $300, so at least not $1100. :) But I said no anyway and just paid the $300. The guy actually owns all the dealerships around me.
     
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    You should call the dealership (all the ones around you) parts department and ask them how much is the cabin filter. That seems very high at $33, even if you are Canadian
     
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    It's REALLY a good idea to get involved in assessing your (2) filters yourself. It is not mandatory to replace them at the proscribed intervals, only to look them over. The cabin filter in particular I'm inclined to reverse blow, tap the dust off, put back in. And anybody can do this themselves, nothing to it.

    Brake fluid is recommended by Toyota now to be replaced tri yearly. I think that's good. $130 is a bit high, but otoh the Prius is unusual. Not something I'd do myself, tricky, and almost necessity to have special software. I'd pay that, just grumble a bit. DO insist they test drive after, check that all four brakes have the rubber caps replaced on bleed nipples, and drive cautiously post-bleed, make sure braking feels normal.

    Alignment very likely not needed, unless you've hit a curb hard and/or are noticing symptoms. Not sure what you mean by "off-centre", steering wheel? The only thing readily adjustable is front toe, fwiw.

    Fuel system flush is totally unnecessary, dumps hydrocarbons into atmosphere,and NOT in the schedule.
     
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    Surprisingly, the cabin filter is reasonably priced. Toyota dealers usually ask for $45-$50 for a dust & pollen filter. You can get a particulate filter (one level better than a dust & pollen) at Canadian Tire for $25-$30 plus tax.

    Brake Fluid - check the schedule. First one is at 4 years/64,000km and every 2 years/32,000km after that if I remember correctly.

    Alignment - that's up to you. I've done it twice because of potholes

    Fuel system flush: They tend to do that from time to time. It's not a factory maintenance schedule item but rather a dealer item. I have no idea if it actually does anything. I'll do it if the vehicle is older but otherwise, I tend to decline it. (The exception was after the first winter with the car, it was brutally cold so combine that with short trips and I suspect there was some water in the fuel lines or engine so I accepted the flush but I haven't done one since on the 2010 Prius).
     
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    Maintenance outside of an oil change can be pricey in Canada. I don't know if it's the labour cost or the cost of the items. Toyota has one of the most reasonable oil change prices out of the non-luxury manufacturers. I know friends who are paying $60-$70 for an oil change with their non-luxury vehicle. Toyota only charges $45-$55 (depending on type of oil). That's almost on par with 3rd party garages (Jiffy Lube, Canadian Tire etc). Toyota dealers also top up your fluid (under the generic "shop supplies" fee which apparently includes rags and fluids and other misc. items)
     
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    toilet paper?
     
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    Thanks everybody. Checked with another dealership, and they want $60 for cabin air filter (including labour), so about the same.

    For transmission oil change, they want $220 + tax. Ouch.

    Oil change is usually $60ish incl. tax for 0w20.
     
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    Because they've never done a Prius transaxle fluid change. Or at the least the service writer is completely clueless. Phone around to other dealerships, or if you have limited dealership choices you might start a back-and-forth, attempt to explain the simplicity of the chore on a Prius. But begs the question: why do you have to explain their job to them?

    Considering the prevailing "climate" regarding Prius transaxle fluid change at dealerships, the simplest, as-the-crow-flies route to getting the transaxle fluid changed might be to DIY:

    Checking my last parts dept bill for the stuff required:

    (4) liters* Toyota ATF-WS fluid: $9.32(per) > $37.28(tot)
    (2) drain/fill bolt washers: $1.99 > $3.98

    * 4 liters or quarts will suffice

    Total, before taxes: $41.26

    Labour, for someone with a lift, and reasonably accustomed to the procedure, would be about 1/2 hour. One hour at most.

    If you're DIY'ing, add an hour, to get the car raised and (reasonably) level. You could run the front up on ramps, then raise the rear with a floor jack and settle onto safety stands at the scissor jack bearing points. Or put the whole thing on safety stands. That's my method.

    You'll need a funnel with a 3' length of hose. Clear, 1/2" diameter or a bit less, is best. You can also try a pump of some sort, but a funnel is dead simple. To avoid contamination, just use it for this chore.

    Both fill and drain bolts have a 10 mm hex socket hole in the top, you'll need this kind of socket:

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    When removing the bolts, start with the fill bolt, just in case they're problematic. You don't want to remove the drain bolt, and then encounter a problem removing the fill bolt. When reinstalling bolts, use a torque wrench, use the spec'd torque.

    Do work cautiously, ensure it's solid before getting under. My ploy is to push a section of tree stump under the car first. No matter what happens, it's thicker than me. :)
     
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    Here's my last service (labour+parts but before taxes):


    O&F: $54.95 for 0W-20
    Replace hybrid transaxle fluid: $79.95
    Install Coolant Conditioner: $13.60
    Replace engine air filter: $25.95