Bad Lithium Ion Battery

these are non u.s., we have no lion until 2012 pip.

 

Thanks, ee cummings.

 

pleasure.

 

This just proves my memory is still in good shape
As I said, the 2010 model was not sold to consumers, several hundreds were produced for testing purposes and field experience all over the world.
You came and asked for help here on a car no one at PC is owning (as far as I know).

 

mazal tov, mate.
- Priuschat.com is global resourse and readers although may not have been registered here are from everywhere in the world. Site admin will tell you.
Some people think that what you folks are talking about here is only relevant to US market (or Izrael in your case). I can even understand that when I refer to Auckland some priuschat.com residents may think I am talking about county in California as many have never heard of major city in New Zealand, which imports thousands of second hand cars directly from Japan, e.g. first ever Prius which USA never had (1997-2000) which I have tested many times on my 20-channel HV Battery Analyser;
- Few locals in NZ I know are considering importing PIP from Japan and are asking me questions. I have not tested PIP battery yet, hence my interest in the topic...

 

^ I have tried to be helpful by directing you to the correct PIP battery worth checking in your elaborated battery analyzer "for the benefit of all" as you put it. But it seems you know better.
Your approach is too aggressive to my taste anyway, so lets depart here.
All the best with your mission.

 

Back in the days of "lax" airport security, a few folks making the short hop to Oakland ended up in Auckland by mistake.

 

not sure if that's a plus or a minus.

 

Auckward.

 

Try rebooting

 

was thinking the same thing. unfortunately, o/p dropped his bombshell on 6/5 and went on extended holiday. maybe beyond his ev range.

 

I have a related question. I used to make regular freeway trips, but now drive almost exclusively in town, with speeds in the 30-40 mph range. After the rare freeway trip, my EV Range will be up in the high 12's, but after a few days of local driving, all on battery, the range will drop slowly to about 11.6 miles. I almost always have a mile or two left when I get home, usually exceeding the estimated range. So, am I suffering battery degrading? Do those of you who regularly commute in EV only experience anything like what I am observing?
I now have nearly 32K and my car was three years old in March. I am currently showing 45% EV, but everything was reset after an accident at 19K miles in Sept. 2013. I have no means of measuring the battery, but I have mostly charged in the early morning shortly before planned use, with some additional charging during the day.
Thanks in advance.

 

if you're saying that the estimate is lower than what you can drive, yes, that's exactly how mine has always behaved. why would it be a sign of a degrading battery? the only sign i can think of is, it doesn't drive as far as it used to, on the same route with similar conditions.

 

I think car manufacturers do not display specific battery metrics - Remaining Capacity or Full Charge Capacity, which would reveal battery degradation with age and milage - as most drivers would not have a clue how to interpret those into practice .

What would be really cool is for Electric Vehicle to be able to estimate the range on the planned route (i.e. "You can make it round trip!" or "Stop for Charge is required after 22 miles" etc) based on the driver's preferences (e.g. use of AC and Stereo), time (day/ night), weather conditions (e.g. need for a fog lights), previously recorded data from that same route - i.e. use of AC / Lights / Stereo recorded by on board systems. Data from the navigation system and weather forcast (embedded in some radio or navigation internet enabled devices).

Developers and manufacturers (they always looking for new ideas and surely are building cars based on our needs, right?) - please donate me 100.000 NZD for this idea and same amount to Priuschat.com for the platform to publish this. Or just brand new EV for testing will do for now....
Idea is copyrighted right now right here by myself...

 

Thanks for the replies. I guess I should have asked why freeway driving seems to put more charging capacity in the battery for a few days/charges afterward.

 

This indicator of estimated EV range does not relate directly (only) to the charge in the battery. It only says that when you do freeway driving you will have some more distance out of the same charge if this is compared to your local driving. If you would do the local driving at a lower speed (for example, 20 mph), you would see the same: more distance for the same charge in the battery.

When you do the freeway driving, are there downhill sections where you get additional charge?

 

This is not a sign for battery degradation in my opinion.
Two indicators for capacity reduction I know of are:
Shorter actual EV range on routine route and same conditions as bisco said.
Reduction in the amount of charge the battery accepts (from empty to full).
Regular trips with freeway section will result in an estimate based on driving behavior, topography, freeway distance and more, after several trips like this it will be quite an accurate estimate for trips like this but not for changing to town drive (can be too optimistic or too conservative).

 

i think the freeway driving affecting the ev estimator is deceptive, and a flaw in toyota's programming.

otoh, local driving always shows less estimate than available, which also may be a flaw, or may be intentional to keep us from running out of ev prematurely, like the safety gallons in the tank which are not included in the dye estimate.

 

Some hills, and of course a lot more hybrid mode driving at steady speeds. Another factor which I mentioned seems to be the fact that I used to do a lot more freeway driving, and longer trips, giving me overall better mileage. I just have to get used to it now. I used to have an EV estimate of 14-15 miles regularly, but I was making 50-90 mile one way trips then, and catching a long downgrade the last couple of miles into the valley.
Anyway, I won't worry about my battery then, thanks to you guys!

 

Uh, you might want to check with Elon Musk. Tesla does this today.