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Volt 2.0: Ruess "It will leap-frog... the competition"

Discussion in 'GM Hybrids and EVs' started by Jeff N, Oct 1, 2014.

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  1. usbseawolf2000

    usbseawolf2000 HSD PhD

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    If Malibu hybrid gets 1/3 of the tax incentive ($2,500), it'll fly off the dealership. 3 MH will save more gas than 1 Volt.

    It'll also save electricity also.
     
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    i guess i'm trying to figure out what they consider to be the competition. it really is a unique vehicle.
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    The Malibu doesn't have a plug. Thus, no incentive.
    The CT6 will be a plugin, and be more attractive to those buyers for that reason.
    I was too. perhaps they see the competition as just themselves.
     
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  4. Jeff N

    Jeff N The answer is 0042

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    Which is a drop of $9-10k in 2015 dollars (adjusting for inflation).

    The Volt, like the i3 with the range extender option, is primarily competing with BEVs.

    It is mostly a transitional commuter and small family vehicle until long-range superchargable BEVs drop into the same price level.

    In 2-4 years we will have 200-mile range BEVs that are within $5-8k in price and that will take away some fraction of the "BEV-like" customer base. At the same time, the overall size of that sales pie should be growing quickly as various trends reduce the sales of conventional cars.

    A Volt-like vehicle class will likely continue to make sense for many customers for at least another 10-15 years.
     
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  5. usbseawolf2000

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    The best way to save gas is by not replacing it with another form of energy.

    You don't need a plug to save gas.
     
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    so which of these will it leap frog, and what is meant by the term?
     
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    Back in 2007, the goal of "nicely under $30,000" was stated. That was without dependency on any tax-credit.

    The reason for that was simple. It required that price to compete with the true competition, traditional vehicles.
     
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    I have never used that phrase myself but I suppose you could say that the Volt is a major jump forward beyond conventional cars. It is also a further substantial step beyond today's Prius towards a future world of non-fossil electrified vehicles.
     
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    so, hyperbole.
     
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    Jeff N The answer is 0042

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    Adjusted today to 2007 constant (inflation-adjusted) dollars, the 2016 Volt would have had an MSRP of $29,280 before tax credits and rebates in 2007. If you include the mandatory "destination fee" it would have been about $30,030.

    Of course, in major markets, the 2015 Volt is available with discounts for considerably less than that today in 2007 dollars and the same will be true for the new 2016 model within a year or two.

    Mission accomplished?
     
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    Adjusted. No. There was never any disclaimer of that nature. Price was always with respect to the future market... hence being a goal.

    It certainly isn't competitive with traditional vehicles at today's prices. If it was, no subsidies would be needed.
     
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    dbcassidy Toyota Hybrid Nation, 8 Million Strong

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    So you charge up your Volt using only solar - good for you.

    DBCassidy
     
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    good for me!(y)
     
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    You can charge up your Prius with solar too.

    Just put up a solar panel that would replace fossil fuel electricity. It'll cancel out the fossil gasoline usage in your Prius.
     
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    Careful, I get a ton of grief for suggesting that same idea ;-)
     
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    I was suggesting only in term of energy. Not of emission or reliability because they are different from fossil vs. solar.
     
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    Didn't the Prius go through that same transition?
     
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    The federal tax credit is for 200k cars.
     
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