Someone stop me from going all-electric

Speaking for obvious reasons:
Tesla's Worst Nightmare Sparked as Car Catches Fire - Bloomberg Business

 

Like I said, you're reaching. It's unfortunate your arguments have turned this direction, since you seemed to know the stats for mortality for other vehicles and were willing to quote them but suddenly for EVs you're using anecdotes which are statistically meaningless.

BTW, the dangers of batteries and high voltage lines were one of the common arguments against Priuses back at the turn of the century, but we all know better now about that.

 

I hope you aren't turning into Air_boss

There have been 4 Tesla fires in about a billion miles.
In the two fires in which the car was not being driven over 100mph through concrete walls and steel poles, the car warned the driver to pull over. After the drivers did, then got out, then the fire started.

The rate of Teslas catching fire is far lower than non-EVs.
The rate of EVs as a class is even lower.

The Tesla is the safest car in the world.

And for me, it costs 1/4 what a similar gas car to fuel, 1/2 what a Prius would.
Far more convenient and it is far more practical.

 

there is no "reaching" just plain hypocrisy on EV proponent side, re-read my previous post:

BTW talking about statistics in 2 out of 3 accidents involving motorcycles the car driver is at fault. Out of reminding 1 case roughly 50% are single vehicle accidents due to road conditions or loss of control. So your could say that motorcycle riders are x4 times better drivers than cagers.

If you believe that saving environment is important, than you must be willing to make sacrifices. Your desire to protect your safety is understandable, but then do you really have the right to diss on people who think they are entitle to drive one of these on public roads:

 

Doesn't matter who's at fault. If you're killed but not at fault, you're still dead.

 

It is not like you are immortal, you will die even if you don't own a bike.

BTW even at x36 odds are not that bad. My insurance on 2 motorcycles is 4.5 times less than on one Prius. So statistically it is x36 times of /almost/ nothing?

Another interesting fact: bicycles have much higher mortality rate than motorcycles. Yet there was a study which found the health benefits of riding bicycles outweigh dangers: you are less likely to die overall but if you do you're more likely to die in accident and less likely to die from heart attack than Joe Average, YMMV

55% of grid is powered by coal which putting CO2 aside produces x30 times more radioactive pollution than nuclear plants. A few posts above it was clearly shown that if CO2 footprint reduction aka saving environment is the goal, then there're better ways to do it like installing solar array.

 

Again, a completely irrelevant statement.

That doesn't even make sense to bring that up. It's not as if you're paying for personal life insurance for driving your vehicle. That's not the purpose of that insurance. However, since you did bring it up, I will tell you that some life insurance providers have begun charging more if you ride a motorcycle.

Actually most data suggest motorcycles have a higher mortality rate than bicycling, although it's a bit more difficult to be certain since bicycling isn't monitored the same way motorcycling is.

And as you say, there are other health benefits to riding a bicycle, but these health benefits don't exist for riding a motorcycle.

Interesting you bring this up because there is no coal power at all on the grid where I live. Zero.

Also, remember, I don't even own a pure electric vehicle. I own PiP, but I didn't get it because I'm saving the world. I got it because it was used and well-priced, and is very practical for me both in terms of functionality and in terms of cost for the features I wanted. (I got it as a manufacturer certified pre-owned vehicle for 1/3rd off retail, or 25% off retail if you factor in the retail cost after rebate, with 18000 km on it.)

 

And by installing a solar array your electricity use has lower GHG intensity
And that 55% number, where is that from?
You seem to have stretched into the realm of fantasy.

 

UMMM, I take the tank for 2 million - I'll really feel safe driving thru "heated" discussions, LOL

DBCassidy

 

..... so, are you saying since everyone dies, you're going to just kill yourself & get it over with? cheer up ... just because your rebuttal posts lack relevance is no reason to go off the deep end ... hang in there (group hug)

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here is your answer:

you basically better off by installing PV and NOT buying EV. If you want more impact get bigger array and sell excess to your neighbors. Better yet reduce heat/cool load on your home and donate a few bucks to reforestation fond.

EV = self-hypnosis and is not the way to save the world

your odds of dying on
motorcycle: 1 in 802
Pedestrian accident: 1 in 623
Assault by firearm: 1 in 300
Car accident: 1 in 272
Falls: 1 in 184
Accidental poisoning and drug overdose: 1 in 139
Intentional self harm: 1 in 115
stroke: 1 in 28
cancer: 1 in 7
Heart disease: 1 in 6

Your chances of dying from unhealthy habits are quite a bit higher than from motorcycle. Doesn't stop people from eating unhealthy. And yeah you're going to die at some point, sorry for breaking this news.

 

speaking of self-hypnosis... you can't get to work, commuting on a pv panel ... but if you have both pv + ev's you have 2 beneficial tools, that reduce both transportation AND utility costs. So - when you simply cut n paste another's quasi-derogatory retort, it becomes just another tangent ... and deflects answering Zythryn's inquiry
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Uh, nice try. Remember, the vast majority of people have never even ridden a motorcycle, yet motorcycle deaths are in the top dozen causes of death in the US. In contrast most people either have driven or have been passengers in a car. Furthermore most (but not all) motorbikers drive way more miles in a car than they ever do on a bike.

That's why the fatality rate per vehicle driven distance is a much more meaningful statistic, as it indicates the relative risk of death over a distance driven. IOW if you are going to use a motorcycle to commute like a car, you have 35X the risk of death compared to an average car driver.

However, if you only ride occasionally on beautiful days, and only a few hundred miles a year, but drive a car 20000 miles a year for work, you may have a higher chance of dying in a car.

To put it in simpler terms, to achieve the risk of death in a car driven 20000 miles a year, you only need to drive around 570 miles on a motorcycle.

 

oh, yeah?!?!?

 

Uh, a motorcycle is substantially less likely to kill another motorist in a car, and a motorcycle inflicts less physical damage to anything it hits. As the vast majority of the premium is for liability, it makes all the sense in the world that insurance is cheaper. Your motorcycle insurance doesn't cover you if you need to be peeled off the side of a bus.

 

It may cover repainting the bus where you were peeled off

 

Those are lifetime risks. For a reasonable comparison you have to somehow normalize and judge the value of the age of death.

 

It is hard to get data which normalized in meaningful way. For example the joy riders and the people who ride only a few hundred miles a year have considerably higher per mile rate than daily commuters. There is no statistics covering commuters. I suspect that per in mile statistics walking is far MO dangers activity.

But if we go by the quote above your chances of dying on MC ~x4 times higher than in average car. Which btw means that you are x9 times less likely to get into accident, but x36 times more likely to die when you get into one.

As I recall some cars have considerably worse statistics than average; Nissan Versa had x3-4 times higher rate. Does not stop people from buying them. Small cars in general have 1.7-1.8 times higher mortality rate... does not stop people from buying them.

 

i think you'll regret going all electric when you develop range anxiety. hang in there for the new pip.

 

This is a very important consideration for anyone going all electric.
Your driving patterns and the range of the vehicle you are considering.

We started with a hybrid and BEV. After finding that our driving patterns worked quite well for the BEV and the hybrid was getting ignored, we went to two BEVs.
Best car decisions we ever made.

However, that doesn't mean it is the best for the OP.
If you are not aware of you driving behavior, closely monitor your range requirements before going all EV.