Someone stop me from going all-electric

Yea ... trading out a ride for another is strictly a personal choice. NO one has the right/privilege to damn you for that. Only YOU can decide what's right for you. That said, we too, are whoring out to the competition ... by putting a deposit on the Tesla X . . . . so do NOT feel bad. We truly wish Toyota would have chosen to follow up with their gen II RAV 4 but that's just not the case. No one is a bigger Toyota fan than us . . . . but still . . . . if Toyota is NOT going to follow up on their prior greatness - and instead, choose to go down the hydrogen folly .... well, what's a hybrid electric fan follower supposed to do? I feel your pain. I'd say . . . .GO For IT ! ! ! Give it a try. We hoped for a cheep EV from Toyota - but they took another path. Give it a try, and it doesn't work, you can always go back to regular hybrid. But from personal experience, there's nothing cheeper to run than an EV. Just wish it could have been a Toyota. But for now, they've chosen to abort their EV baby before it's really born. Too bad.
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i'm tethered closer to priuschat than toyota.

 

I didn't realize the MB was being discounted that much.

 

Why would you pose this question on a forum?

 

Because it's a "CHAT" forum?

 

Since you're in socal, you may want to consider one of the many sweetheart lease deals on EVs. I went from PIP to RAV4 EV and have loved it, then recently was tempted to lease a Fiat or Spark for the heck of it since it was zero down and less than $100/month for the lease payment! Heck a lot of people did so I'm not sure the deals are that sweet anymore.

Other benefits of leasing an EV? Protects you from technological EV obsolescence. You also still get the $2500 CVRP rebate!

 

Wait a sec, are you sure about a B-Class for $24K with incentives? I passed through Autobahn in Belmont and they only have one on the lot for $49K mostly stock! What incentives are they giving for $25K??? Mercedes Benz Oakland could only go to $43K, did you find a used one? How many miles?

 

Yah, see my post!

 

We don't stop people from going all-electric here, we let them go!

We even let some people go to SUVs, ; Gas prices rising in Southern California | abc7.com

 

the anti-plugin pr bs pushed out by lexus/toyota sure isn't helping with general plugin and PiP loyalty. Perhaps it's geared towards preventing new plugin buyers from even happening, rather than being concerned with their existing loyal PiP customers. It sure isn't geared towards redirecting plugin loyalty over to pie-in-the-sky hydrogen.

 

What anti-plug-in PR?

 

This

 

Like the announcement the other day that Toyota is working on the 2nd Gen PiP, expected around 2016

 

So I take it that praise is also forbidden ?

 

I guess the more you're piling on the miles, albeit not too many between charges, the more an electric vehicle makes sense. And conversely, if you're low mileage, gassing up once a month, it matters less and less.

We're in the latter camp, literally fuelling up once a month, and that's with the gauge barely below half way. Are monthly expense for gas about $30, at higher Canadian prices.

 

Yep, the money angle argues against EV. So does the environmental angle:

Say in CA an EV has half the CO2 footprint of petrol. So over the ~ 10 year life of the car run for 20 miles a day, 36k miles are saved. At Prius level fuel economy that is 720 gallons, equal to about 28,800 kWh.

PV is good for about 25 years and produces about 1750 kWh per year per installed Kwatt. Over the PV lifetime that is 43,750 kWh. So it takes about 660 watts of installed PV to match the savings of an EV's CO2 savings. That is about $1500 - $2000 of installed PV.

In terms of environmental ROI, EVs stink compared to PV

 

thats after trading in or selling his pip for 21k.

 

I don't think comparing 10 years of EV to 25 years of PV is realistic. For that matter, EV versus gas for someone who can accommodate the limited range would be about marginal/comparable cost, not total cost.