1. Attachments are working again! Check out this thread for more details and to report any other bugs.

Goodyear Concept BH03 electricity generating tires

Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by Ashlem, Mar 11, 2015.

  1. Ashlem

    Ashlem Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2013
    754
    502
    0
    Location:
    WI
    Vehicle:
    2017 Chevy Volt
    Model:
    N/A
    Goodyear Concept BH03 Electricity Generating Tire - A New Form of Range Extender?

    So, what do you think? It's just a concept right now, but do you think it would be feasible if they did try to sell it?

    I'm wondering how much electricity the tires could generate for an electric vehicle. I can't imagine it's much, but that waste heat is currently unutilized too.

    The bigger issue would be the cost of those tires. If it's going to be significantly more expensive (and it likely will be considering the costs of researching said tire), then I think I'd pass on it.

    Also, I find it a little ironic that they have the Toyota logo on it, considering Toyota's anti-EV stance.
     
  2. Trollbait

    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2006
    22,447
    11,760
    0
    Location:
    eastern Pennsylvania
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Not just cost of the tires would be an issue, but the cost of the equipment to collect to electricity for the car. I wonder if its life is long enough and the gains would be big enough to use it in all the bushings and mounts for the body, engine, suspension, etc. Might cost more per car than a set of tires, but those individual pieces generally are 'life of the car' parts.

    Those of us using higher than placard tire pressures to reduce rolling resistance likely won't see has much electric gain.
     
  3. priusplusowner

    Joined:
    May 26, 2013
    82
    30
    0
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius+ MPV
    Model:
    N/A
    Look at this video from Goodyear. Notice the Toyota logo on the center of the tires and also that the CH-R concept is featured. Possibly upcoming for gen IV Prius? Probably not but interesting!
     
  4. usbseawolf2000

    usbseawolf2000 HSD PhD

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2004
    14,487
    3,000
    0
    Location:
    Fort Lee, NJ
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    Interesting. Maybe that's the Gen4 Prius. :)
     
  5. john1701a

    john1701a Prius Guru

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2004
    12,766
    5,251
    57
    Location:
    Minnesota
    Vehicle:
    2017 Prius Prime
    Model:
    Prime Advanced
    Since you continue to disregard Toyota's pro-electricity stance, that belief is no surprise.
     
    priusplusowner likes this.
  6. Ashlem

    Ashlem Senior Member

    Joined:
    Sep 16, 2013
    754
    502
    0
    Location:
    WI
    Vehicle:
    2017 Chevy Volt
    Model:
    N/A
    I guess I should have said "Toyota's anti-plug in EV" stance.

    If you're referring to the Mirai, I can't buy one of those in the Midwest either. And unlike a Plug-in Prius, which I can at least get special ordered at a dealership, or drive home after buying it from a state that does sell them, I can't fill it up here even if I smuggled a Mirai home.

    I'll disregard the pros and cons of fuel cell vehicles for now as it's been hotly debated here already. But the fact still remains that I can't buy a Mirai even if I wanted to.

    I just wanted a Toyota vehicle that I could plug into my garage to charge it up and drive around with. But Toyota refuses to sell them, and despite nearly 300k EV's or plug in hybrids being sold since 2010 according to insiddeevs.com, they seem to insist "no one wants plug-in vehicles".

    Toyota Sees No Market For Pure Electric Vehicles | Inside EVs

    Toyota: 'No One Wants Us To Build Electric Cars'

    -----------

    Getting back on topic I still wonder how much more those tires would cost, and if the power they generate would fill up a battery any appreciable bit, or if it's more or less stuck as a 12v maintainer.

    And would they be of use in the snow, or are they more or less "summer tires"? I would probably still buy them unless they cost 2-3x the amount of other tires or have terrible tread life.
     
  7. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2005
    27,661
    15,662
    0
    Location:
    Huntsville AL
    Vehicle:
    2018 Tesla Model 3
    Model:
    Prime Plus


    It wasn't until I saw the video that the tire began to make sense as a 'cooling' system. As tires flex, they follow a hysteresis curve:
    [​IMG]
    The amount of energy lost, tire rolling resistance, is a function of the area inside the curve. If warming the rubber increases the area, the tire rolling resistance would go up. But generating electricity instead of heat would help keep the rolling resistance lower and the tire more efficient.

    Although the video shows the electricity going to the car, say the 12V buss, it would be equally OK to operate an electric cooling device in the wheel to suck more heat from the tire inflation air. Might as well power an active pressure management system in the wheel. But I'm not calling it a practical system.

    A lot of interesting technology starts with a "Beta":
    [​IMG]

    Bob Wilson
     
    Trollbait and usbseawolf2000 like this.
  8. usbseawolf2000

    usbseawolf2000 HSD PhD

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2004
    14,487
    3,000
    0
    Location:
    Fort Lee, NJ
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    I think Toyota is being realistic about the limitations of plugins. They have said they need a breakthrough in energy density for BEV to make sense and they are working on all-solid and Lithium-air battery technologies.

    Not sure how much these tires can regen but it will sure help to extend the range a little. Everything counts.

    [​IMG]

    Toyota's Strategy for Environmental Technologies | TOYOTA GLOBAL SITE
     
  9. Trollbait

    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2006
    22,447
    11,760
    0
    Location:
    eastern Pennsylvania
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Which is fine, but they aren't the only ones working on improved batteries. While they offer what appears to be a token effort in terms of plugins, their competitors are growing their plugin market share, experience, and reputation. The reason no one has successfully taken the Prius is because everybody was late to the party. Toyota is going to be late to the plugin party.

    Just powering the required TPMS beyond its current 5 year service life may make it worthwhile then.
     
    bwilson4web likes this.
  10. El Dobro

    El Dobro A Member

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2011
    7,027
    3,241
    1
    Location:
    NJ
    Vehicle:
    Other Electric Vehicle
    Model:
    N/A
    How are they going to work in the real world? Is the tire jockey at the local STS going to be able to cope with them? They have a hard enough time trying not to break the TPMS.
     
  11. bisco

    bisco cookie crumbler

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    110,132
    50,049
    0
    Location:
    boston
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    i'm just glad to see that all possible energy sources are being researched.
     
  12. usbseawolf2000

    usbseawolf2000 HSD PhD

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2004
    14,487
    3,000
    0
    Location:
    Fort Lee, NJ
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    You would lose 25% power when you have a flat tire.
     
    Trollbait likes this.