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It’s official: 2014 was the hottest year in recorded history

Discussion in 'Environmental Discussion' started by cyclopathic, Jan 16, 2015.

  1. mojo

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    There is nothing hypothetical here .Both satellite records show that 2014 is not the warmest.
    But more important, do you agree that stating facts with a 38% confidence level is the work of a con artist or is it sound science?
    Please elaborate if you wish to defend the lies.
     
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    The headline is in the instrument record. That isn't forever it is since 1880, and temperatures in 1880 were colder as part of the little ice age. I don't know one skeptic or scientist that thinks we were warmer at that time, even though Mr. Schmidt in his blog tried to deny the global nature of the little ice age in the past, even that blog agrees to the relatively colder temperatures globally then. No big lie here.

    Here is the statement from the article, and I don't see a problem with it.
    Now we have this information on the instrument record.
    http://www.nws.noaa.gov/directives/sym/pd01013002curr.pdf
    Which on normal temperatures is
    , but these are non random errors that over all the thermonmeters should average out to smaller errors. Still within the margin of error we have 1998, 2005, 2010, and 2014 in a statistical dead heat depending how you average the thermometers.

    So we cannot with scientific confidence say it is the hottest year statistically. This doesn't mean mr. schmidt or the "skeptics" are wrong. They both are correct if you understand the nuances. I didn't hear Mr. Smidt talk about error, nor do we have skeptics talk about this decade being colder, simply that the temperatures statistically are not hotter.

    I am not sure where the 38% comes from, but I would agree with you that we can't tell if 2014 was hotter than 2005 simply because of error. I would say single year records are BS anyway. The hottest decade though is beyond thee margins of errors, and hottest decade means the warming continues. Then again, many of my friends and relatives that live north of me in the US,would prefer the globe gets a little warmer instead of a little colder. 2014 wasn't close to the hottest year in the United States, it was 2012 and statistically 1934 may have been close. The earth does warm or cool evenly.;) Temperatures should not be political or part of opinion, and the earth has been warming.
     
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    The concordance among UAH and RSS lower troposphere measurements and surface temperature measurements is also very obvious. Not all concordances made it to my previous short list! They aren't in on the vast global conspiracy, and yet they are still in broad agreement. Weird eh?

    Yet they are not identical, and it might be a bit odd to expect them to be. They measure different things in different ways. The look-down satellites in particular are affected by varying amounts of "contamination" from higher levels of the atmosphere. It seems not to be known how that varies over time.

    If the various T measurements were not so similar, I am sure it would be considered newsworthy.
     
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    Just heard, they're sking/snowboarding at whistler in wetsuits. :ROFLMAO:
     
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    A friend's recent report from Stevens Pass was of 5 lakes encountered on the Daisy run.

    Today, the Summit at Snoqualmie Pass raised the white flag of surrender, closing for now. They've had the same seasonal snowfall as downtown Boston. The biggest difference -- Boston still has most of their's.

    I have shaped alpine skis, telemark skis, track skis, backcountry skis, and snowshoes. Now it looks like I need to add water skis to my winter sports equipment.:(
     
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