Toyota’s new Prius model to get record 40 km per liter

A battery is a type of fuel cell.

I think the outlander PHEV is rated 1.9l/100km here so 2.5 out of a stock prius would be truly amazing. I would almost struggle to believe it.

 

I keep thinking CARB-certification design in all USA Prii knocks down the first 5 minutes MPG more so.

 

All I'm going to say, is that level of improvement in fuel efficiency would certainly tempt me to look at the next Gen....

Damn you Toyota!

 

From greencarcongress:

IF the new Prius' fuel economy is based on JC-08, the improvement is from 3.7 to 2.5. That is hard to believe.
Perhaps based on the 10-15 cycle, the improvement is from 2.8 to 2.5 which is a 10.7% improvement. That I believe

If the fractions carry over to the EPA, fuel economy will be ~ 55 MPG/gallon

 

Bzzzt.

First, you're quoting an article from 2007 about the 2nd generation Prius, not the present 3rd gen car.

Green Car Congress: Prius Certified to Japanese 2015 Fuel Economy Standards with JC08 Test Cycle

Second, the article's statement that the [2nd gen] Prius got 26.9 on the JC08 test was a typo. The author meant to write 29.6 (or 70 mpg US, not 63.3 mpg) which you can see in his link to the Toyota source document (you don't need to read Japanese to see the 29.6 rating there).

http://www.toyota.co.jp/jp/news/07/Aug/nt07_044.html

 

Oops, right you are.
This article
Japanese ratings call Prius world's most efficient car, 89.4 mpg (US)!
says 3.07 L/100km for the Gen3 on the JC08 cycle, so 81.4% as much fuel per distance for the upcoming Prius.

That might translate into 60 MPG EPA if the fractions hold. GO TOYOTA!!

 

couple this with a 25 mile battery and your back in the drivers seat.

 

Let's say if:
Prius 1, 2 - come standard with Nimh
Prius 3, 4, 5 - come with standard with a small Li-on battery, say 15 ev miles and 55 combined. Those who do not charge will still get good mileage. 60 mpg sounds great, but frankly 55 mpg (10% over current is fine), just put a plug in the thing after 55.

 

A commonly held opinion these days is that N. American shale oil is responsible for the very welcome drop in world oil prices. I'm sure it is at least partly responsible, but less well appreciated is that the new production ~ 5% of world-wide production.

So, we *love* shale oil for its effect on oil prices, but poo-poo a 10% improvement in car fuel economy ?

 

Whatever the cause(s), I think it's an awesome combination. If these 60 mpg projections hold, it does forestall full EVs now until that range is sorted (read: increased).

 

I'm interested to see what the 4th Gen Prius is to get a glimpse of what might be coming in next generation HyCam.

 

if they're giving 5k off hyacc, why bother with toyota.

 

still hoping for two seater Prius--just saying.... waiting to sell my 2--8, with only 23000 miles--when I see new 2016....

 

volt?

 

50 mpg and 10,000 miles per year =200 gallons.
10% boost = 55 mpg --> 181.8 gallons per year.
I'm certainly not excited about 18.2 gallons saved per year.
61 mpg --> 164 gallons = 36 less gallons per year - I might notice that.
600 mile tanks for most drivers. That would be noticeable.

 

Which is why they're probably going to hit the 60 mpg mark which means...some drivers might get 55, some might get 60, some might baby the acceleration pedal and get 65...now how cool is that.

Some people already get 52 or 55 mpg with the Gen III.

 

I'll use exagerated numbers here. 12,000 miles a year, and even let you have $4 a gallon gas.

If you think about it like a huge consumer market, it becomes easier. The difference between 40 and 50 mpg is $240 a year.

Increase it to 55 mpg and you have a $88 a year savings from the 50 mpg car, and a whopping $328 from the guzzler 40 mpg car.

At 60 mpg, it's nice, but not huge.

What you need to do is draw in more people that are getting far less mpg. Say, the 22 mpg to 30 mpg folks. Now you have a market. But your Prius is already more expensive than a lot of their existing cars, so the savings get eaten up in the purchase price. Combine that with a car that has the same basic familiar wedge shape for many years, and you're not attracting anyone new. You'll probably lose existing owners that are just plain bored. It takes more than just great gas mileage, which is a small part of the total cost of car ownership.

 

What's the source for that graph? It leaves off an important part...



Notice the story starting at 75 MPG ?

Think about the variety of plug-in hybrids. There's a diminishing return for batteries too.

 

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