How Are PiP Drivers Perceived

Generalizations like that generally are.
People notice, and remember bad behavior much more than good.
Although, the survey showing that for most CA PiP owners the primary reason for buying in was HOV Lane access may not have helped break the stereotype.

 

If you buy a prius or a pip, do you really care what others think of you ?

 

I think they're hilarious, and sort of sounds like some of us bitching about the regular ICE car owners.

 

Sounds like Mwalsh (see the above link) has a pretty good impression of himself, but not of others. I wonder about the individual who would use his thoughts to determine what car they should drive. Nevertheless, I don't doubt that some would.

 

wow, life in cali... must be tough to live with such difficulties. hmm, where should i go for my next plastic surgery?

 

Well, I am made fun at work for driving a Prius plug in. Guys have gone so far as to unplug the extension from the receptacle atwork. To me I don't care, I will laugh all the way to the bank. I truly beleive they are jealous because they didn't have enough foresight. They try to justify there full size truck with Diesel engine, they have power and in the same sentence bitch and complain about how much fuel costs. I am happy with our purchases and I would do it again. I am looking at the Marai fuel cell that Toyota is about to introduce into the market. I love the technology, what a great time to be alive. Don't forget about the Elio.

 

maybe bmw ev'ers will form a new paradigm. i would never have considered a bmw, but i find the i3 intriguing.

 

[That said, I noticed a wonderfully 'right' thing ... and it happened via a BMW driver - who stats show as the most bad behaving/entitled type drivers. I'd pulled up to a DC quick charger, and the i3 driver, with only a 1/3 charge, gave it up for me. Wow! make my day.[/QUOTE]

I've had the same thing happen where I was just plugging in when an i3 driver showed up. I offered to move but she said I could have the spot and parked nearby.

Back to the thread, talk about the pot calling kettle black; Hill appears to think it's OK to hog the charging station all day even though he is fully charged. His justification was that the PIP driver had an ICE to get him home - I bet he would be screaming bloody murder if the PIP driver did that to him. That's what I call obnoxious!

 

With pay per charge this won't be such an issue. PIPs won't want to pay for a charge and generally won't use those charging stations. Neither will BEVs that are just looking for a free top off. This is exactly why people need to buy the right sized battery for their needs and NOT rely on free charging.

 

I agree, for all public chargers.
For workplace chargers, the employer should be free to have whatever type of policies best fits their needs.

Hill's employer sounds like an outlier with very special needs.
It sounds like they could have better met their employees needs by installing a bunch of level 1 chargers for plugin hybrids (<40 mile range) and some level two chargers for those that need more than 40 miles of range.

 

it will all be fixed when we have 600 mile batteries and 5 minute recharges.

 

With 100% renewable electricity.

I'm looking forward to it!

But, I'm willing to suffer with a mere 400 mile battery and 15 minute charging in the meantime. Heck, I'm willing to bear the burden of 250 mile batteries and 30 minute charging. I guess I'm a little desperate.

 

I don't think a 600 mile battery pack will sell very much.
I would far rather have a 300 mile range with half the battery weight and cost.
Actually, 200 miles would be my preference at less than a third the cost and weight.

How many miles do you need when you wake up every morning with a full 'tank'?

It will be a marketing hook, as lots of people that don't know better probably THINK they need that kind of range. Some do, I'm guessing that 75% of first time EV buyers that buy one will regret the purchase of such a large battery and their next EV will be a 300 mile or less EV.

 

you'll take the 600 miles and like it. if it's the same cost and performance as a gasser. you keep forgetting, you're not the guy we're trying to sell an ev to.

 

Why would I compromise? I'm happy with a 265 mile range with as good cost and better performance than a gasser

 

you're easy, it's joe and jane six pack that needs convincing.

 

Well at least you didn't call me "cheap"!

You are right though. Price parity has been reached at the luxury end of the scale but needs to get closer, without subsidies, at the economy end of the scale. The performance aspect is easy due to the behavior of electric motors.
The range/price is the biggie.