Gas Prices Cheaper than Electricity Prices?

The SCE explanation of how one is reconciled at the end of the year (even without TOU) for excess generation is impossibly twisted. I have no idea whether they pay the prevailing rate at the time of generation (i.e., if I'm in Tier 3 for the month, will they reimburse at Tier 3 ($.31/kWh) for those months? Of course, the answer is no. They will pay for generated excess at a rate they can pull from their bottoms and that has no relation to the amount a consumer is charged for SCE's electricity.

 

dumb question, maybe, but still... what formula are you using for this calculation??

 

The real question is when will gas be back above 3:50....

My bet would be jan 2016

 

Anyone who claims to know what gas prices will do, that doesn't have a billion dollars from playing the futures market, is going to be wrong. And those that do, will be wrong almost half the time.

 

.16 x 12 = $1.92 i'm still ahead of the game!

 

True, TOU is not for everyone. But for me my usage is pretty constant throughout the day, and I don't use AC much, maybe 5-10 days a year when I use a lot of AC. My nighttime usage has increased a lot due to the car purchase. I'll have to wait till my plan kicks in and get the first month bill, but I'm expecting some savings.

 

Couldn't abide that, I touch-type, like a real keyboard.

Well, we let the dishes build up, use it maybe every other day. But c'mon, never? What's the point of having it, lol.

Ok, now the gloves are off. It'd take us forever to get through Wallander, not gonna happen!

 

Who says I dont have a billion dollars from playing the future market.....just kidding..

I used the key word Bet ....I never said how much.

I do know that the price of gasoline will be above what it was at the most recent high...this is a forgone conclusion...

The real question is when...

 

lol…

nothing prevents you from using a real keyboard attached to your laptop. you don't need to burn hundreds of watts just to use a "real" keyboard!

if i had my own house i probably wouldn't have a dishwasher. can't exactly rip it out in a rented apartment lol.

 

if i had my own house i probably wouldn't have a dishwasher. can't exactly rip it out in a rented apartment lol.[/QUOTE]

^^^now the following is meant purely in jest, pls don't take offense..

I see your a Berkley fella, can one assume along with the bi weekly tv viewing ration, no dishwasher use, etc, that....

Instead of wasting energy on that silly thing called hot water, that bathing in Berkley can be replaced by way of dousing oneself with Patchouli??

Lol.

 

lol no i still bathe, don't worry.

 

My Experience with TOU over 21 months it saves about $5 per month on the average vs the basic PG&E E1 rate. My PV system is 2.8 kW. Last year it provided about 80% of my total kWh, this year it will be a little less assuming we continue to get some reasonable amount of rain/clouds. My average PG&E cost/month is about $25. ($20/mo dry year, $30/mo wet year) So is the minor inconvenience of TOU worth the $5/month savings? Perhaps it depends on the definition of "minor"

 

I looked into TOU here and it just wasn't worth it for me. On a Tesla board I looked at, some of the NJ owners felt the same way.

 

We have a 2014 Volt. Electric rates in Seaside Oregon are .116 KWH, with all cost included, (note calculated by total bill divided by KWH). So its still only $1.40 per charge to drive 30-40 miles in the winter. Just on gas,87 octane E-10, my mpg to work is a little over 40 mpg with our Volt in the winter. Our 2010 Prius mpg during winter same trip etc is 45-48 mpg on 87 octane. So gas as to go below $1.50 / gallon to approach electric rates in our neck of the woods.

 

$1.86, but who is counting ?

 

I thought volt takes higher than 87 and takes premium

 

That is the required fuel per GM. However, the Volt community believes this is due to the long tank times that gas sits in a Volt. I'm waiting for the first reports of engine problems due to people unilaterally ignoring the manufacturer and using 87. Bet the whines will be heard all the way here.

 

At my electric rates, even getting only ~10 miles per charge still nets me a per mile cost of under .03/mile. In reality I do maybe 40-50% of my charging at work for free. Most of my EV miles are short trips under 3 miles, so running the ICE returns poor mileage, to the point that I'd be lucky to do 35mpg under my city driving.

In short, gas prices would have to fall to under $1/gallon to reach parity with EV for me, and that's still not accounting for the fact that half of my charging is free.

 

So far on the volt forum I have not seen one single post where the use of 87 octane damaged the engine. I have used 2 tanks of 87 octane, with no damage that I can see. Our 2014 Volt purchased in Oct. 2013 has over 17,000 miles. I posted 87 octane vs 90 octane post with my results and I felt that I was a suspect in Volt Abuse from the replies. Fact is the Chevy Cruze 1.8 engine has 10.5.1 compression ratio, same a the Volt's 1.4 engine.
Both are non atkinson cycle engines. The 1.8 engine per GM 87 octane the Volt is required, (not just recommended 91 octane). I was under the impression that compression ratio in a non atkinson is more or less a constant. The Volt is not a high performance engine, 84 hp from a 1.4 engine in todays world is not high performance. In 1993 my Honda Civic 1.5 engine developed 92 HP on reg. gas over 21 years ago.