A petition to Toyota to build electric vehicles

You can read the threads. I think the main anger is at toyota's PR and lexus advertising.

This petition was specifically to point out that the Toyota statement -"No one is knocking on our front door, for them" is false. In a world of social media you can't get away with that. Numerous people did ask there dealers. That toyota has hidden hidden its front door, means that they are using the petition to knock.

The Lexus advertising went viral in what not to do. They have since pulled it from their site, after social media pointed out how tortured lexus was to show it was better than a plug-in, going so far as to hide the fuel door in post production.

Certainly a statement we don't believe in bevs, but are charging ahead on phevs would help, as would removing all the negative plug-in fud from their PR.

 

A generic knock isn't enough.

Vague requests are only the first step.

Notice the current lack of coherency in the EV market?

 

Thanks for playing John. Why isn't that enough for toyota to stop this PR? It should be, and the knock threads may have more people leaving toyota if it keeps up. Why should Toyota continue this BS?

I would say that it was quite telling that Lexus and its advertising agency did an i3 versus ct200h tortured tale. I mean couldn't they have at least tried and written something more believable than transformers, and have at least bought a i3 bev for the shoot? Someone's brother in law loans a i3-rex for a trip to vegas, when 11 other cars are probably available? doesn't sound believable, then they make them recharge in stead of fill up, then try to edit out the fuel door in post, missing some frames to show everyone how much Lexus hates PHEVs.

 

My reply was about the topic, that's TO BUILD electric vehicles.

Switching it to PR is not appreciated.

 

This thread is about a petition that directly contradicts Toyota PR. It was created because of misleading statements toyota was making.
Petitioning Toyota To Build Electric Vehicles

Their original goal was 100 signatures, now they are over 800.

You can see on a previous point, this is not new for toyota. In 2000 they funded a study with Gm, that claimed you would need to write a check for $7000 to get someone to simply take a Rav4 EV off your hands. They got this submitted to carb, and it was part of the push for fuel cells.

Yes some people would like them to build bevs and phevs, but this more about getting them to stop their misleading PR, so at least the companies that are trying can sell there plug-ins without Toyota throwing false FUD at them. If toyota is at least honest that people want them, then they can ask them what they want. Right now toyota USA management seems to have their fingers in their ears pretending they only hear fuel cell, fuel cell, fuel cell.

 

Nope. I see BUILD mentioned in many places (including the title) and you know that's what my response was about.

 

So when Toyota offers a family of Prius to broaden the market and add options for consumers that is a good thing.

When there are a variety of options for plugin users that is a "lack of coherency" and is a bad thing?!?

You are really Bagdad Bob (Muhammad Saeed al-Sahhaf - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia) aren't you??

 

Toyota is treating BEVs, but all plug ins to a degree, like GM treated hybrids when the Prius started to gain sales.

 

.... and if you were alive in 2009 - you know how well slamming the other guy works ... in stead of giving the customer what they really want ...

GM Files for Bankruptcy - Businessweek

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I don't expect Toyota to go bankrupt.
Unless of course they start paying for their own hydrogen infrastructure instead of conning taxpayers to do it.

 

Take a class in economics. Note how lack of a standard or even a shared goal increases risk & expense.

 

Sort of like the lack of coherency in the computer market decades ago...or what has happened in the cell phone market in the last decade. This is what free market capitalism is all about. Lots of companies try different things so that the market can decide.

Mike

 

I signed it. As of 7:16pm they need 151 more signatures to hit the next level.

 

According to this article, Route 66 is getting a little more plug-in friendly - hopefully Toyota may see which tech is more economical to invest in (w/out CARB"s lobby influence) ;

CHICAGO: Illinois Route 66 gets electric charging stations | Technology | The News Tribune

The hydrogen infrastructure is falling behind'er & behind'er ~

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Eventually the hydrogen fuel cell advocates will notice the 3-4 orders of magnitude difference in adoption. Or they will retire and a new generation do the right thing. I sure don't see the fossil fuel companies ever embracing hydrogen.

Bob Wilson

 

of course, as soon a the money dries up.

 

You're all wrong (and cynical). Hydrogen is the future and will be here in 10 years time.

 

when you say 'here' you mean the british isles, yes?

 

lol love it.

You can keep your hydrogen along with your bl**dy Black Friday sales.

 

maybe they continue the negative ads because they're reading the latest sales numbers numbers;

Electric vehicles account for almost 10% of Californian new-car sales |Electric Vehicle News

Considering california is such a huge market - those sales #'s got to mean something to Toyota . . . like, "whoops". Maybe they are looking at this smear tactic as damage control. And yet toyota is saying no one's asking. Wow.
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