moving from prius gen3 to PIP. Regrets?

My cost per mile has dropped to maybe 10% from what it was with a Prius.
My routine maintenance costs have dropped even more.
My time saved sending gas money to the enemy has dropped to zero most months.

A Prius with a bigger battery is pretty cool, I understand everyone's fanboi enthusiasm. If it suits you, fantastic!!
A Proper 4-season EV is cooler. And if it is an EREV even cooler in my book.
Technology marches on.
What will the next Gen PiP be like? Probably more Volt-like, no?

ps, sorry to rile the rileable....

 

they ran the '14 inventory down with specials and the '15's are trickling in. toyota doesn't want to have to discount the heck out of them to move them this year. limit supply = increase demand.

 

It does exist. Just hook up Torque app to monitor RPM, IGN Timing and HP of the ICE during the warm up. You can see it making only a few horsepower (should make around 15hp) at around 1,300 rpm with IGN timing totally different than in normal operation.

It pollute less because Atkinson cycle is cleaner than Otto cycle. To put it into perspective, see this comparison.

PiP emit less CO2 than a regular Prius. That means it uses less gas to finish the warm up (as CO2 has direct correlation to the amount of gas burned).

So, stop making blind states that said more EV miles with bigger battery is better. There is a need to balance the two power sources and I think Toyota nailed it with PiP with consideration of interior space, recharge time, cost, emission (especially upstream), etc.

Running on EV is not always cheaper. When I lived in NY, EV miles would cost me more if I switched from a Prius running on gas.

 

"EV miles in NY cost more" than a gas burner? Than why would anyone ever buy an EV, PHEV, or EREV in NY. This is hard to believe, sorry.

I personally don't want to 'balance the two power sources'. I want as much EV as possible. It is WAY cheaper, even without 'free at work charging'.
I let that stinky gas burner hibernate until it's really needed. Much less maintenance needs that way and longer engine life, you think?
A Pre-heated/Pre-cooled EV is such a joy to drive in all 4 seasons!!! It's the future, now. Not just a stepping stone.

But it only has 4 seats, so it's not for the OP, sorry.

 

Yup, most who purchase the PIP come to the same conclusion, we know more about the PIP than they do!
You really have to be motivated to buy the PIP.

^ See above....
At one point when Toyota was offering $5,000 Toyota Financing discounts on the PIP- (and when you included the $2,500 Fed tax credit) you could get the PIP for the same price as a Three! Now that's nuts.....

 

Some of us in NY get free charging at work... so $/kW don't matter.

 

Answers for wantaprius; I hear and believe that there is not much dealer profit built into the PiP MSRP so they don't reduce the price from there much, if at all. Also, Toyota is not selling the PiP in many states (Mostly selling in CARB states) so there are not and abundance of used PiPs on the market.

 

don't feel bad, i paid 32k. the good news is, 2 1/2 years later, i still smile every time i drive it.

 

First off... congrats!
You may want to call before heading out to the dealership to "remind" them to charge your PIP. When I picked mine up.. it had no charge at all for EV mode

The finance guys usually push hard with the extended warranty... it's a Prius, no need for extended warranty.

100% correct!

 

The heated seats are just plain electric. With the cloth seats, they heat quickly.

For fogged windows, you have two options:
1) Use Defrost mode. This requires engine heat, and thus, the engine will start immediately.
2) Use the Air Conditioner to blow cool, dry air to defrost. To do this, the climate control temp must be set to LO. Then, turn the fan on, direct air to vent to the windshield, and start the AC with fresh, outside air.

If it's really cold, #2 won't work, because blowing air on an iced windshield won't defrost it. But if it's just fogged, it will work and the ICE won't start up.

 

Reb,
I don't know about your signature list!?!

With a Volt you don't have to play "eeny - meeny" if you want a defrosted windshield or a comfy interior.

In fact you can have both of those waiting for you with a 10 minute 'precondition' from your phone app. Plugged in or not! Hot or cold!
Let that engine hibernate until needed.

And wasn't the EV1 just another BEV? Like a Tesla? What if you want to go far?

 

Bill, I've reported you. At no point did the OP say anything about a Volt. Your coming onto this thread is the definition of being a troll.

(And like a politician I see you moved away from stuff you don't know hard numbers on.)

 

Replies off-topic and promoting another vehicle are blatant attempts to undermine. That's sad and rather desperate.

When there's ice & snow, having that electricity available does exactly what it was designed to BOOST MPG.

It's a clear improvement over the regular model Prius, without having to give up any seating room or storage above the false floor.

It's still a remarkably efficient vehicle. Heck, I just did a 175-mile trip the other day with 2 bikes on back. Arriving with 70% capacity still available, the result was 46 MPG.

 

marka,
Not sure what there is to report? Did I "rile" you up,,, again? That has got to be totally my fault that YOU are riled up. Sorry.
john,
Sorry to "undermine",,, whatever it could possibly be I'm "undermining"... Please tell me what it is, please.

First, I was responding to rebound's post and his 'signature'.
Second, is it a rule to only talk about one possible brand of vehicle when choices are talked about?

I realize the Volt will not work for the OP. I was pointing out to others how another PHEV handles defrost and heat duties without all the fiddlefarting to keep the stinker from running. Just a friendly FYI, you know?