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ICE not running -- Car stuck on forest road

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by cyberpriusII, Sep 21, 2014.

  1. usnavystgc

    usnavystgc Die Hard DIYer and Ebike enthusiast.

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    Hey Kris,
    I think you're fine. The ICE likely shut down because it was warmed up and didn't need to keep running. It really sounds like to me that all is well with your Prius. As for what caused all this, who knows. It doesn't surprise me that all the warning lights were gone. If you get an intermittent DTC and there is no "real" problem, cycling the ignition four times will usually clear the lights.

    My guesses on what caused this are 1) you put the car in D too quickly for the computer and it defaulted to Out Of Gas mode (this has happened to me in my old Gen I but never in a Gen II) or 2) you had a momentary loss of 12 V pwr or reduction in 12V power (ie weak power). I know you just changed it a year ago so that is less likely. Who knows what caused it but, all the symptoms you mentioned are exactly the same symptoms I used to see on my Gen I if I put it in drive too quickly after starting it. I know this sounds crazy but, I really think there is a glitch in the Prius software that causes this.

    Do you think you may have put it in D very quickly (possibly before getting a "Ready" light)???
     
  2. JC91006

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    Have you determined the inverter pump is working properly? It really seems like it overheated.

    You can leave it in your driveway and keep it in "Ready" mode for a while. See if the warning lights come back from overheating.
     
  3. Patrick Wong

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    It is time for you to take the car on a drive, 30 miles or more, and see what happens. Now that you have checked all engine compartment fluids, found them to be satisfactory, and have concluded that the inverter coolant pump is actually working, you won't cause additional damage.

    Should you find that you have a recurrence of the original symptoms, you need Mini VCI running on a Windows XP or Windows 7, 32 bit OS laptop to retrieve the logged DTC. Then we can have a clue about what might be wrong with your car.

    It is not clear whether you have inspected the engine coolant pump for leakage or not. Look for a pinkish or whitish stain on the inside of the pump pulley as well as stains on the air conditioner compressor below the pump. If you see this then you need to have that pump replaced before you embark on a long road trip.
     
  4. Todd Q

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    It may be your serpentine drive belt on your ice. It's on the passenger side of the engine. While the car is off just push down on the belt to make sure there is tension on it. Mine broke and the car started to behave in a similar fashion with the same general lights on from memory. I had to let it sit overnight at a Kwik Trip gas station and was able to buy a belt the next day when the stores opened, changed it in the parking lot and all was good.
     
  5. cyberpriusII

    cyberpriusII Prodigyplace says I'm Super Kris

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    I really did the best I could on the ENGINE coolant pump. As you know, that is a pretty tight space and even my pointed little head could not get into it very well. I was not able to see any evidence whatsoever of a leak.

    That snake belt did amaze me on how tiny it is, but it seems fine, also.

    I really am a bit reluctant to drive anywhere, since if I do breakdown, it will be on a rural road with very few "shoulders/turnouts." Civilization, such as it is, is about seven miles away.

    Still, if everyone thinks I will not hurt anything, I just may creep down the road and give it a try....of course today we are having heavy rain. :rolleyes:
     
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    cyberpriusII Prodigyplace says I'm Super Kris

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    Worked up my courage. Went for a 15 minute drive (more or less). Drove down my steep driveway, then down a single-track forest road until I hit the paved county road. Drove down it about one-third mile until I reached a small turnout. Turned around went back home uphill all the way (mostly).

    Did that several times. The battery went from blue bars to totally full and green. Stayed in the green until the last trip up to the house when it slipped down to blue.

    ICE seemed to come on when it needed to.

    Thoughts? Should I go ahead and try to drive to "town" and back. That would be about a 15 mile round-trip (if I make it).

    And, if all goes well, should I cancel the appointment I have with Toyota on Monday morning (the soonest they would allow me to come in)?

    It is troubling that the ICE did not come on during the whole ordeal on Sunday and the battery went down to one purple bar.
     
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    it costs around $28-30 for the miniVCI cable setup, provided you have Windows XP setup. There's a workaround for more recent version of Windows but XP works "out the box". You would be able to pull up the DTC codes and post them here for more senior members to elaborate on your car's history.

    In my opinion, $30 is pretty good for peace of mind and definitely less than a dealership's diagnostic fee which is usually around $100. The cable with Techstream will also allow you to bleed the brakes, run the water pump, and get a but of live data from the prius as well.
     
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    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    I think you should drive to town and back. If it were me, I would have no problems doing that. It would be best to have someone follow you but, I really don't think you will have any problems.
     
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  10. cyberpriusII

    cyberpriusII Prodigyplace says I'm Super Kris

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    I like your confidence level, makes me feel better.

    O.K. I have an old netbook that runs XP. I just ordered a mini-vci from Amazon
    Fotga Newest V8.00.034 MINI VCI for TOYOTA TIS Techstream.

    Did not have time to "comparison" shop. Hope the thing works. It should be at a friend's house in town sometime tommorrow.

    I am no computer expert. My netbook has no CD slot, but from looking at things on the forum, it appears I can actually download the software from a dropbox site that is mentioned on the TundraTalk forums?

    If not, I guess I could run the CD on my other computer and mail the files to netbook.

    Anyway, as a guesstimate, if I get the cable Thursday evening, I should be able to read codes by Saturday?
     
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    yeah. install the techstream software. wait for the cable. then its a simple plug and play. plug the cable into the OBII port under the steering wheel and the other into your laptop's usb port. start techstream. car should be IG ON (2x power button). run an active test (a selection on the left sidebar of the Techstream program). old DTCs..i'll defer to other priuschat members advice.
     
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    Maybe the fluid you put in solved your original issue? When sitting my ICE doesn't come on unless the battery drops below two bars then it comes on only long enough to raise it to two bars then it shuts off. Of course its a 2014 vs a 2009, maybe different.

    I think you will be fine on the 15 mile trip too!
     
  13. cyberpriusII

    cyberpriusII Prodigyplace says I'm Super Kris

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    GOT my mini-vci.

    The "mini" cd is totally broken....The cable looks O.K.

    I am trying to download the techstream from the tundra dropbox site. It tells me 43 minutes to download. I am not all that sure what I am doing. I was hoping to have this all wrapped up by 8 p.m. PDT, but does not look that way.

    Here is the site I am getting the techstream from....I have to go take care of some neighbor's livestock, so will not be back here until 10 or so PDT, so if anyone has any tips.
    Dropbox - Techstream
     
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    Is it possible your door was ajar when you made your Prius ready? If the door is not completely closed you will get all theses warnings. Open the door after making the car ready and you will see what I'm talking about. I hope this is all that caused you all your grief!. H
     
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    Just wondering as I plan to get one myself soon. Do you mean it was physically broken, or is it just unreadable?
     
  16. cyberpriusII

    cyberpriusII Prodigyplace says I'm Super Kris

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    UART!!!!

    You, usnavystgc, Patrick, doronrun and about a dozen other people whose names I cannot spell or recall at the moment (excuse my lack of names, I am a not so intelligent blonde) are so special to me!!! Ah shucks....of course, since you are not in the USA, you might not understand that....

    Anyway...the actual CD was broken, split across one side....a part of the shipping process as far as I can determine. I did put it in the CD tray, but the computer just looked at me and said "REALLY?"

    I did download TECHSTREAM from the dropbox on the Tundra site, but since it is ticking toward midnight here and I actually have to do some work in the a.m.....like 4:30 a.m., I am not going to deal with this anymore tonight.

    I will say that when I was searching for the mini-vci, the vendor I ended up ordering from was one of the tops on Amazon. Things break. So, I cannot really blame too much.

    When I signed onto Amazon, I was offered a chance for a 30-day "free" prime membership. That meant if I had the thing shipped overnight, which I did, I had a super-discounted rate of $3 USD or so for shipping.

    So, I got the thing on the cheap.

    I will mess with it in the morning.....Hopefully the dropbox Techstream will do all I need it to, as the Techstream on the disc is not readable, according to my computer.

    BTW, I AM returning the whole thing...so saving a few $$$ there....
    Kris
     
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    There is a CNET link for it too.
     
  18. cyberpriusII

    cyberpriusII Prodigyplace says I'm Super Kris

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    PRIUSDTC.jpg FINALLY got the mini-vic to work....not fun.

    I have the following codes:

    Hybrid control POAOF

    ENGINE ECT P3191

    Air Cond. B1421

    Gateway B1200
    B1207
    B1271

    Those mean anything?

    I have attached a photo of the actual "screen" from TechStream
     
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    P0A0F - engine failed to start
    P3191 - Engine Does Not Start
     
  20. uart

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    Yep. P3191 is "poor engine power" and POAOF is "engine failed to start". So these two are definitely related to the problem you experienced.

    I'd be taking a close look at the throttle body, as well as the ingiters and plugs at this point. Your problem seems to be intermittent, so it would be a good idea to check all the ingiter connections etc. Also given your reported problems with mice, it would be a good idea to inspect the wiring as far as you can for rodent damage.