moving from prius gen3 to PIP. Regrets?

Me too. I went from a 2012 Prius Three to the PiP. Seems the same to me but the I'm not a "hot car" type driver

 

it probably is the same. usb is answering the question 'changes from gen II to pip'. although, i don't know if the extra weight makes a difference one way or the other.

 

I went from an '11 Five with the 17" wheels to a '14 PiP Advanced. While the '11 arguably handled better, its ride was choppier and the road noise with the OEM tires was just below irritation levels. The '14, back down to the 15" wheels, rides much more "Lexus-like" (comparing to my fiance's ES350) and I don't find the cornering that significantly worse than the '11. My '04, by comparison, had more road noise and sloppier handling than the Gen IIIs ('11 and '14).

 

Yeah but that's the wheels. We have the same experience, going from OEM Michelin Pilot 215/45R17 to snows in 195/65R15.

 

rx, what pressure's are you running?

 

On the '04 42/40. On the '11 40/39, and the '14 40/39.

 

thanks!

 

The 17" low profiles have lower suggested pressure on the door jamb decal. I've found you want to raise pressures comparably less. Still firmer, regardless.

 

I think the sidewall limit on the 17" tires was 44psi. The Gen II also had a 2psi front-back differential recommended (and anyone remember the "squirrely handling" if that differential wasn't adhered to?), while the Gen III has a 1psi recommended difference front to back.

When I get my car serviced, the dealer always deflates the tires to around 36/35. I ran on those pressures for a week before upping them to 41/40 recently. Surprisingly, very little difference in fuel/EV consumption. But, my experience with Toyotas and using recommended pressures has resulted in lots of tire replacements with uneven wear on several Camrys and one Avalon. Since my first Prius and using higher pressures, no uneven wear and I've gotten well past the warranted mileage out of each set. (For example, the '11 I traded in had OEM tires with 30K miles on them with plenty of treadlife left.)

 

my door jamb says 35/33, are you getting the 1 psi differential from the o/m?

 

Yup, I was pointing out the difference from gen2 to PiP. Not as crazy as his friends think.

As already pointed out, his gen2 wouldn't get the rated 46 MPG with those short trips. PiP thrives on those.

 

Yup, I misspoke. 35/33 mfr recommendation. But I've always used a 1psi front/rear differential in my two Gen IIIs. (If anyone has an '11 Five, perhaps that's where I got my 1psi delta from.)

 

honestly, i've never tried anything different, but i drive so slow, it probably wouldn't make any difference.

 

what? with those what??? don't leave us in suspenders!

 

i have to tell you, the ev is priceless. put your foot on the brake, hit the go button, put it in reverse, back out of the garage... where's the ice firing up? where's the noise? where's the high revving? where's the vibration? just priceless man.

 

There are certain things you just plain cannot put a price on either... like the change in attitude toward run a late-night errand. Normally, it would feel like a chore. But with a full battery-pack, the drive out to the local retail/grocery/hardware store is electric bliss.

 

Edited my post. Not sure what happened.

 

John, you said:
That less than a minute is all it takes for the engine to reach warm-up anyway. Also, keep in mind that there is less to burn off in the first place, since the starting process is graceful due to the boost from the big battery-pack. It's not good to old-school use terms like "rough duty" on an advanced system like that in Prius either...

Do you, in your toyota lovin heart, really believe this ordinary cast iron/aluminum engine in the Prius takes less than a minute to get up to a decent temp?
It does have an interesting 'Exhaust Gas to Engine Coolant' heat exchanger that is there to mainly help with cabin heat. What about the engine oil? What about the entire exhaust system?

I'm trying to point out the 'rough duty' a PiP would have with the OP's commuting needs. If the engine comes on briefly during his few hill climbs then turns off at the summit, that engine might never get to a decent temp to burn off moisture in the engine, in the oil and in the exhaust system.

I believe he'd be better off with a proper BEV or an EREV. He could warm or cool the cabin from his phone, while plugged in or not. This would make his really short commute very comfortable.
He would NOT have to deal with the very limited 3 season EV capabilities of a PiP.

wantaprius, have you compared the final price differences between a PiP and a Volt?
Or the performance, comfort and maintenance differences?

 

He's baaack... It's not hard to imagen Mr. Norton working with GM on a commission basis to make converts - the above is one of his more aggressive attempts.
The OP hasn't mentioned having the need to drive occasional long trips. If he does, the illustration below prepared by a mechanical engineer, who is a Volt owner himself, indicates the clear advantage of the PiP for EV trips less than 15-16 miles, and the superior gas mileage for longer trips over 70 miles.