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May 2014 - Hybrid Dashboard Report (last quarter)

Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by bwilson4web, Jun 5, 2014.

  1. bwilson4web

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    Thanks to Danny's outstanding effort, we have a usable set of table tags. There will be some adjustments as we learn how to use them but gosh these are better than the alternative:
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    model May_14 Apr_14 Mar_14 Feb_14
    1 Toyota Prius Liftback 15944 10298 10917 7396
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    2nd​
    3 Toyota Camry Hybrid 5199 3916 4287 2517
    4 Ford Fusion Hybrid 4641 3537 3903 3096
    5 Toyota Prius C 4590 3569 3685 2681
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    3d​
    7 Toyota Prius V 3567 2403 2528 1743
    8 Jetta Diesel 3552 4355 4052 2073
    9 Passat Diesel 3172 3923 4549 1696
    10 Nissan Leaf 3117 2088 2507 1425
    11 Toyota Prius Plug In 2692 1741 1452 1041
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    13 Sonata 2094 2055 2430 1907
    14 Ford C-Max Hybrid 2051 1586 1685 1301
    15 Avalon Hybrid 1957 1522 1600 613
    16 Lexus CT200h 1762 1054 1480 1230
    17 Chevrolet Volt 1684 1548 1478 1210
    18 Accord Hybrid 1530 1442 1346 910
    19 ES Hybrid 1408 1242 1384 945
    20 Tesla Model S* 1400 1400 1300 1400
    21 Fusion Energi 1342 743 899 779
    22 3-Series Diesel 1189 929 777 916
    23 MKZ 1128 1047 1411 919
    24 XV Crosstrek Hybrid 1003
    25 RX 400 / 450 h 837 387 852 621
    26 Ford C-Max Energi 782 525 610 552
    27 Lacrosse Hybrid 772 716 536 506
    28 Kia Optima Hybrid 735 1060 1879 960
    29 BMW X5 Diesel 712 724 735 501
    30 Q5 Diesel 629 532 519 422
    31 Chevrolet Cruze Diesel 511 491 644 508
    32 Honda Insight 493 441 410 339
    33 GL-Class Diesel 447 434 396 415
    34 ML Class Diesel 434 438 457 364
    35 Honda Civic Hybrid 415 450 338 443
    36 Q7 Diesel 408 410 411 310
    37 5-Series Diesel 389 294 281 576
    38 Honda CR-Z 389 369 354 318
    39 A6 Diesel 373 303 249 202
    40 GLK Class Diesel 356 369 411 298
    41 Highlander Hybrid 355 418 333 105
    42 i3 336
    43 Touareg Diesel 304 319 285 195
    44 Q50 Hybrid 294 263 380 328
    45 Golf Diesel 271 479 515 366
    46 Cayenne Diesel 270 475 562 350
    47 E-Class Diesel 247 264 251 229
    48 Pathfinder Hybrid* 238 183 237 191
    49 Volkswagen Jetta Hybrid 209 149 276 232
    50 forTwo EV 206 203 186 122
    51 Spark 182 97 108 71
    52 Grand Cherokee Diesel 181
    53 Ford Focus EV 177 116 177 129
    54 X3 Diesel 174
    55 500E 167 152 166 40
    56 Beetle Diesel 159 184 212 123
    57 Toyota RAV4 EV 149 69 73 101
    58 QX60 Hybrid* 137 114 167 135
    59 A7 Diesel 99 90 72 55
    60 Malibu Hybrid 94 130 191 202
    61 A8 Diesel 78 52 64 59
    62 Honda Civic 78 115 62 37
    63 Cayenne Hybrid 75 84 96 64
    64 Regal Hybrid 64 41 95 88
    65 ILX Hybrid 63 49 46 42
    66 Impala Hybrid 58 34 49 38
    67 Porsche Panamera S E-Hybrid 53 63 56 57
    68 ELR 52 61 81 58
    69 Accord Plug In 46 37 18 24
    70 i 35 12 24 3
    71 Fit EV 33 50 37 33
    72 Audi Q5 Hybrid 25 21 35 24
    73 E400H 16 39 9 15
    74 ActiveHybrid 3 (335ih) 13 13 27 18
    75 ActiveHybrid 5 (535ih) 12 6 12 18
    76 M Hybrid 12 11 19 14
    77 S-Class Diesel 12 27 20 6
    78 Chevrolet Tahoe Hybrid 10 5 20 6
    79 Lexus GS 450h 9 35 25 23
    80 ML450H 7
    81 7-Series ActiveHybrid 5 6 4 3
    82 LS 600h 5 9 7 11
    83 Chevrolet Silverado Hybrid 4
    84 Volkswagen Touareg Hybrid 3 3 1 3
    85 Cadillac Escalade Hybrid 2 2 1 4
    86 GMC Yukon Hybrid 2 7 5 2

    Source: Jeff Cobb's Hybrid Market Dashboard - HybridCars.com (well worth reading!)​
    • Who lit the fire under Toyota? The success of selling a hybrid like it is another car and not a grade school play!
    • Diesel sales incentive end, the fuel card?
    Bob Wilson​
     
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    beautiful! thanks bob. (and danny:))
     
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    great month! how are we doing cumulatively compared to '13?
     
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    I just finished the three charts:

    COMPETITIVE HYBRIDS
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    • all hybrids did well
    • VW diesels not so well (end of fuel card promotion?)
      • One month does not a trend make!
    MARKET LEADER AND PACK
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    • the four month trend is solid, nearly 4x growth
    LONG TERM TREND
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    • Something bad happened in September 2013
    • Were the gas prices a following indicator?
    What surprises me about these numbers is the hit the two leading diesels took. But it seems to be isolated to the VW group as non-VW diesels did OK. Use the "Filter" to select "Diesel" to see what I mean.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    i keep thinking gas prices are stable. but i haven't filled up since february 18th, so, i'm even more clueless than usual.
     
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    Hybrids are down 9.3% while autos in general are up 4.8%. Even including plug-ins that are growing faster than the car market, hybrids+plug-ins are still down.

    Of the top 10 hybrids that sold last year, 7 were down year on year, with only the fusion, sonata, and lexus ct200h are doing better than last year.
     
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    Are those sales numbers for each model for the entire US per month or am I reading it wrong?
     
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    i think you're reading it right.
     
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    thanks, that's my feeling, just looking around. don't know about the rest of the country, but gas is $3.85 here, unemployment is low, we're making a killing in the market, money is cheap, credit is plentiful, everyone's aboard the o'bama train, life is good! why drive a hybrid, when there are so many comfy suv's to be had?
     
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    ^^^Yes each month in US

    Keep in mind May was a huge month for all US car sales, looks like we're heading to over 16 million sold projected for end of 2014, which is super.

    The plug-in story so far in 2014 is a California story, I am calculating well over 50% Plug_ins sold in CA for first quarter. Looks like Dianne still has quite a few PiP's with green HOV stickers, so the CA HOV impact wil be felt thru June (first half 2014). Around mid-August we can calculate % plug-ins sold in CA for first half 2014.
     
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    Hey bisco,
    We probably have a few things going on. The prius is getting fairly long in the tooth and people may be putting off purchase until the redesign. People bought on the gas price spike, and their likely is a not very much hybrid momentum right now. Plug-ins are growing fast still, not the 100% we saw last year, but around 30%, and that is reduced by the gm's taint of safety probably hurting the volt, and tesla exporting so fast that they simply don't have enough inventory to sell in the US. Check back after the prius and volt redesigns and hybrid + plug-in should be growing again even if gas goes down to $3/gallon.

    BTW - I'll be flying into boston for a wedding on Saturday. I'll be bringing you some texas weather for the weekend.
     
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    Autoline Daily noticed the EV and plug-in pickup but seems to have forgotten their earlier, skeptical comments. So I posted:

     
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    Thanks for linking to Autoline..... I didn't realize they had a non-youtube site. (And yes the white-haired guy is very negative about Priuses and electric cars: "We've been saying for awhile that electrics will lose money for companies.")
     
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    Toyota Prius Hybirds and plug-ins are looking:cool: a lots better!!:)
    Could it be the gas prices?:unsure:
    Could it be the move to Texas?:rolleyes:
    How many Prius were sold in Texas, over the last several months?
    Could the move really help Toyota in sells, overall?
     
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    I don't think Texas will help in sales as much as California pretty well ended any support except for the plug-in. I would not call the move 'retaliation' but perhaps the last of a list of problems resolved by the move. It will also put them in a position to 'help' the Southeast Region Toyota that IMHO is under performing. They might also peek in on the Mississippi plant. Also, are some of the Toyota pickups made somewhere in Texas?

    Curiously, I've been to Kentucky, the Georgetown plant area, and it looks to be a nice area with what looks to be a good local college with an engineering school. I would have thought that would have been a better area since it is more central to the USA. It would also be a lot easier to visit from Huntsville.

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    Yes all of toyota's north american pick ups, tunda and tacoma, are now made in San Antonio. Moving Tacoma production there from NUMMI, was one reason NUMMI closed. NUMMI was Toyota's most expensive north american plant, and IIRC the 2nd most expensive in the world. San Antonio is one of Toyota's least expensive plants per value added, and one of the most profitable. I doubt the move to texas was to help fix the Texas plant, but perhaps it is to help learn from its sucess, to help make its other plants more profitble. Toyota's headquarters near its worst plant certainly did not help it improve its worst plant. In fact part of the study about what was going wrong at north american headquarters is that they were dictating bad policies to the plants instead of listening to the engineers there.

    Texas and Florida are number 2 and 3, can't remember which order, in buying hybrids in the country. Gulf States Toyota is managed by a billionare in Texas, and he is one of those leading the dealer charge against Tesla.

    I do know a couple of people that bought toyota trucks because they are made locally. I have a couple of friends at the plant, and it is running at full speed. It is a shame that the prius is not made in north america, as I think that would help. I doubt moving headquarters to texas will sell anymore hybrids in state, as the state already buys a lot. Building better hybrids will increase sales in all states. Hopefully moving headquarters closer to the good plants, will change the culture, and might improve management.

    These guys need to get onto planes to visit dealers and plants. Cincinati probably would have also been a good choice, but Texas gave toyota money to move, something that I doubt Ohio could match. DFW is a better airport, although I hate it, and not having an individual state income tax means pay goes farther. I don't think my state should have paid toyota to move here, we have to many californians moving to texas as it is.
     
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    This has been my experience in the corporate world. The bean counters are running the companies with no desire to hear from the engineers.
     
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    Toyota plug ins were up a great deal in may. We know one reason why now.
    Single Toyota Dealer Sells 1/4 Of All Toyota RAV4 EVs


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    Great job Diane!

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    ^^^also 1st quarter 2014, I calculated 59% of PHEV were sold in CA. I think that probably means 2/3rds of PiP's were sold in CA. And I think we know who sold most of them: The High Priustess

    Changing the subject, I heard on the radio that the stellar auto sales for 2014 may relate in part to the wind down in the war in Afghanistan, something also seen at the end of the Vietnam war. Basically service men and women getting back into normal life. They said the trend could last several years. Maybe we need to give those good folks some special green car incentives to encourage buying hybrids and so on.
     
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