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What is your number of "miles to refill" upon fill up? Tips for calculating actual MPG?

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Fuel Economy' started by Roger T, Jun 3, 2014.

  1. Roger T

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    On my second tank, I drove my car until <10 "miles to refill".

    Then I refueled the current tank. It was 8.5 gallons when the nozzle clicked off and I did not go for additional clicks. Now i have driven 36 miles since refuel, with 46 computer calculated MPG.

    Now My gas gauge has 8 bars left. The "miles to refill" is 430 miles. The gas gauge maybe less accurate because I park my prius on a non-level roadside. Sometimes when i take off from home, I would notice the gas gauge would go up one bar.

    I did not start to account for gas consumption when i first got my car.

    Any tips for calculating actual MPG?
     
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    • true_fuel_gallons = tripmeter_miles / tripmeter_MPG
    • true_MPG = true_fuel_gallons / true_miles
      • true_miles = calibration_constant * indicated_miles
    The calibration constant is measured by using either highway mile marker or GPS distance measurements against the tripmeter_miles.

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    Awesome. Thanks for your advice.

    So we suppose fuel consumption (true_fuel_gallons) on the Prius computer is correct. I would have supposed it is. I know some guys actually tried to top off their tank, or use the gas station reading to calculate. Although I am not sure it is that helpful because we don't know how much gallons the dealer put in the car when we first got our Prius. That we assume true_fuel_gallons is correct makes calculating so much easier.

    I am pondering why tripmeter_miles/indicated_miles is not used to as true miles. I suppose the indicated_miles accounts for small tires movement that is not necessarily reflected in the true distance. That explains why the tripmeter_MPG is mostly a few MPG more than the calculated true_MPG.
     
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    IF the Prius is refilled tank about the same time when the fuel gauge's last bar flashes (and gives you a beep) AND the refueling gas pump is allowed to shut off automatically at the first click ( never overfilling the gas tank) THEN if the Prius is sitting on a flat surface each time the fuel tank level is measured then the internal sensors for the Prius gas tank should be accurately measure the fuel inside the gas tank to 0.10 of a gallon consistently. The Prius fuel tank might officially hold 11.9 gallons but the Prius gasolone tank internal sensors only read up to 11.4 gallon and do not read below 0.7 gallons. The first click at the gasoline pump will prevent you from going beyond 11.4 gallons and the first warning beep and first time that the last bar on the fuel gauge starts blinking prevents you from going below 1.9 gallons in your fuel tank.
     
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    Great information. Thanks. When the "miles to refuel" was about 50 miles on my car, the fuel gauge starts to flash and beep. I continued to drive my car until the "miles to refuel" was like 8. Then I refueled for 8.5 gallons.

    So there were about 2 gallons of gas left in the tank when the fuel gauge first beeped. I drove my car until the "miles to refuel" was like 8 miles. Then I suppose there is about 1 gallon left in tank when the "miles to refuel" comes to zero.

    So after I refueled 8.5 gallons i have about 9.5 gallons in my car. Do you consider the 8.5 gallons click as pre-mature shut-off?
     
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    My hunch is the mpg the car tells you is higher than calculate mpg, because Toyota set it to be that way. Cheap advertising, make owners feel good, whatever. I've kept a running tally of all but the first couple of 1000 kilometers, am at 44000 km's now, and the average error between calculated and Toyota's claimed is 8%.

    Tips for calculating mileage:

    1. Use odometer readings, just use the trip meter for back up, it can be accidentally reset.

    2. every time you gas up, record the odometer. Subtract the previous from current, that's your travelled distance between fill ups. Then divide the distance by the gallons you needed to refill.

    3. Don't sweat getting the same gas level, by filling to the neck or whatever. Just fill till it shuts off. Any minor variations will cancel out with the next fill up.

    4. Forget about "miles to refill". Just refill when it's convenient, whenever it's getting kinda low. Don't push it too far.
     
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    Wonderful advice. Thanks.

    When the "miles to refuel" was about 50 miles on my car, the fuel gauge starts to flash and beep. I continued to drive my car until the "miles to refuel" was like 8. Then I refueled for 8.5 gallons. So after I refueled 8.5 gallons i have only about 9.5 gallons in my car.

    So there is 9.5 gallons in the tank when the refill nozzle clicked off. Do you think the discrepancy between fillups may be too big to accurately calculate MPG? I suppose a full tank is 11.9 gallons, as suggested by Walter Lee.

    ANOTHER question: The specification of the tank says a full tank is 11.9 gallons. Is there any empty space besides the 11.9 gallons to accommodate thermal expansion or some accidental overfill circumstances? If any, how much?
     
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    Read my #3, lol. You're overthinking it. Even a single tankful calculation will be reasonably accurate, without any special considerations regarding tank size, hidden pockets, etcetera. And any discrepancies cancel out on the subsequent tank calculation.
     
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    It wasn't until I replaced the OEM tires that I finally figured out what was going on. The original tires are 'undersized', the revolutions per mile. This gives the false indication of better mileage than true in part because the car is using 'indicated', not 'true' miles.

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    Thanks Bob. Although I don't recommend topping off the tank, I am wondering whether your measurement accounts for topping the tank?
     
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    The "miles to refuel" makes me think of the "ETA" on any GPS. It's accuracy depends on if you stay consistent. The GPS calculates your current speed, and it may even know the listed speed limits on the programmed route, but it can't account for what changes. The closer to your destination, the more accurate it gets.

    I've been getting 525-550 tanks, and I've consistently found that one Pip = 50 miles to the Prius' "mind." That last Pip is 50 miles and it blinks (with warning) when it hits 25 miles. Checking my math, the 1 Pip = 50 miles is fairly spot on (for me). Of course, I'm sure it adjusts based on "free" miles you might get based on running electric only (or near to no gas), but I'm guessing it only recalculates how many miles you have left based on gas consumption and NOT your actual traveling. This means if you're getting 99+ mpg going downhill on an interstate, it might keep reading 56 miles to fuel up until it senses X amount of fuel consumption no mater how far you've actually gone at 99+ mpg.
     
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    Somewhat of a newbie to all of this. I traded in a Jeep Grand Cherokee. For a nicely equipped 2010 Certified Prius 3. Have put on about 7,500 miles since I bought it

    I am currently averaging 46MPG. While this is a huge improvement on the 16 MPG I got on the Jeep I can't seem to get it any higher

    I do mostly city driving and would classify my driving style as aggressive. But I have tried on several occasions to drive lightly and see no difference

    Suggestions,thoughts would be appreciated


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    If you bought your Prius used or just want to reset the miles to empty after learning pulse and gliding, etc., pull and reset the fuse to the MFD (or disconnect and reconnect the 12V battery). This will default the miles to empty to 600 and it'll adjust over time based on your driving.

    Warning: You'll lose your trip A/B info as well.