MISC questions about the Plug-in

woody weaver · May 6, 2014

SudeepHArya said: ↑

No offense intended.
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None taken! Actually, it hadn't occurred to me why I like Wil Wheaton's law so much.

So, Sudeep, are you a practicing lawyer for civil torts?

chesleyn · May 6, 2014

I used to love my TomTom navi which would make a noise at me and say "warning" if I was driving 5 mph faster than the speed limit. It had a database of road speed limits. Loved it.

woody weaver said: ↑

I don't think the problem is punishment as deterrence. Sure, it has an effect, but it isn't the root cause.

Strangely enough, I just had a conversation on an infosec list around the metaproblem here.

The problem here is one of compliance: there is guidance, and you want people to follow it. There is really good literature around the medical compliance issue, but legal compliance is must thornier. Usually it boils down to three things:
1) clear communication of policy
2) tools to support effective compliance
3) feedback on performance

With speeding, the biggest problem is 1. We see numbers but they seem arbitrary -- we have justified belief that we can drive safely at higher speeds on certain roads. As you pointed out, "they don't think they could actually crush someone's child with their vehicle." The numbers are computed based upon risk avoidance, not risk management, and often on lazy bucketing rather than thoughtful analysis. We don't believe the published numbers are correct. That is a hard problem to solve.

We could improve 2 & 3. My prius knows what road it is on, mostly. It shouldn't be complicated to have a database of road speeds, and when traveling over the speed limit provide visual notification. In fact, I'd love to have visual notification combined with clues about why the speed is what it is -- "warning: middle school nearby" or "warning: high accident rate at stop light ahead". It would help with 1 as well, and give us belief that the numbers aren't arbitrary but based upon sound engineering.

I think, as autonomous vehicles become more common, that we will get to a point of automated traffic speed enforcement. Heck, if a few flipped Ford Explorers triggers the TREAD act, what will bloody children at a middle school do? This is one where a loss of 'free will' might be okay -- my Prius at 60 MPH is about a megajoule of energy, and that is nothing to trivialize.
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rxlawdude · May 6, 2014

chesleyn said: ↑

I used to love my TomTom navi which would make a noise at me and say "warning" if I was driving 5 mph faster than the speed limit. It had a database of road speed limits. Loved it.
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"Loved it till I threw it out the window for nattering."

GregP507 · May 6, 2014

I keep a Garmin nuvi 2455 attached to my front corner window as a backup. I don't care so much for the built-in nav.

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