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Windshield Wipers - new blade v. new insert

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by JOL, Feb 27, 2014.

  1. JOL

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    Hi all,

    The windshield wipers on my 2010 Prius are beyond done (i.e., the rubber is coming off) and, with the impending rain, I need to get them replaced. In calling around to stores like Pep Boys, Kragen, O'Reilly, etc., I am being told that they don't sell the inserts, only the entire blades.

    Now, I realize that there are many different brands, all of whom have different "levels" and prices. For example, Bosch carries the Clear Advantage, the Evolution, the Icon, etc. In pricing out the Evolutions, it would cost $22 to replace the front windshield wipers (about $50 for the Icons) and about $10 to replace the rear wiper with a standard Trico brand ($14 if I bought a Bosch-branded rear wiper). I also confirmed that the Bosch and Trico windshield wipers are "plug and play" with the Prius.

    After doing this initial legwork, I called my local dealership and was told that I could get the inserts for all 3 wipers for a total of $24.00.

    Obviously, the inserts are less expensive (and create less waste in terms of trash) than buying new blades. For those of you who have replaced your windshield wipers, have you gone w/ the blades or the inserts? Is there an advantage to one over the other (e.g., are the OEM blades more aerodynamic, more efficient, etc.)? Assuming you changed out the entire blade, did you throw away the blades that came w/ your Prius or did you hang onto it? Is there any reason to hang onto the blades considering that I can always just pick up a new set of blades once the new ones wear out?

    Thanks!
     
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    Get the inserts.
    Dealers are about the only ones even carrying the inserts anymore and in most cases, they cost the same or more than the entire assembly does elsewhere.
    Auto Zone and the like realized that the profit margin is a LOT higher on a $20 complete blade assembly than it is on a $4 insert.
    That's capitalism for you !!
     
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    Are the inserts easy to install? I remember, as a teenager, trying to change out the inserts on my parents' Toyota Camry station wagon, and we had such a hard time trying to change out the insert that we inadvertently bent the blade, resulting in uneven wiping and streaking.

    Also, the dealer wanted to charge $24 (plus tax) for the 3 inserts alone. The Bosch Evolutions + a Trico rear wiper would run about $32. If I purchased the Bosch Clear Advantage, or the Trico ExactFit, the price wold basically be about the same as the price of the inserts alone. That is what piqued my curiosity as to why one would change out the rubber insert alone as opposed to buying a whole new blade when one can find blades that are priced the same as inserts.
     
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    This was the thread that I based on my decision on. Seems like inserts were being sold for about $10, so depending on if Amazon has a sale vs dealership's $10 off $50 (or some kind of percent off) coupon, I would decide accordingly.
    Wiper blades | PriusChat

    For instant, you can get the two front wipers from Amazon for $23 total ($10 and $13) at the moment..you will need $35 for free shipping unless you have Prime.


     
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    I believe I've recently found inserts at a local department store (Fred Meyer, now a Kroger subsidiary), and by asking a clerk at one of the major chain auto parts stores (i.e. not in display, but still kept in the stockroom). But I had to ask at several auto stores before finding one that admitted to having them.

    Most inserts have gone in fairly easily, but a time or two I've acquired parts of slightly wrong width and had to bend open the guides slightly. I've also been known to get matching lengths and cutting down.

    The disappearance of inserts seems to be one of those "for you convenience" things that really is intended to drive up vendor profits even when I don't want the convenience.
     
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    So it sounds like it's just a matter of preference then as to why people change out inserts v. the entire blade (i.e., there's no functional advantage to one over the other)?

    If I were to purchase the Trico or Bosch Clear Advantage blades, the blades would essentially cost about the same as what the dealership charges for the inserts alone.

    I just wasn't sure if the OEM blades had some sort of aerodynamic (or other) feature that the aftermarket blades compromised on.
     
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    I don't really get your question here.

    Obviously when it comes to your wiper, wiping your windshield, it's rubber on glass. So regardless of advertising claims, I don't think there is a significant difference between a new insert, properly installed, and a whole new wiper blade properly installed. It's simply two ways to reach the same end. Which is new rubber...wiping the glass.

    Unless you simply want a new blade, or are intrigued with the idea of trying out one of the new hyped blades, the inserts will work fine.

    In most cases replacing the blade is much easier than trying to install a new insert, but dealerships should be pretty familiar with doing it...and it's not rocket science in either case. I've done both over the years.

    If you've been happy or satisfied with how your wiper has worked, and since you've kept the same blades for nearly 4 years I have to assume you are....I'd save some money and just have the inserts installed.

    Most dealerships I've dealt with will install for free.
     
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    I would go with inserts. I bought some Goodyear wipers for my car and I noticed more wind noise coming from the windshield most likely due to the straight up design and not as aerodynamic. Luckily I kept my stock blades and will be putting inserts in those and reinstalling once these wear out.
     
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    The Electric Me - right, my thought was that, whether you replace an insert or replace the blade, the final result is the same - you have a wiper that wipes rain off of your windshield.

    The reason I posted originally was that, in reading some other forums, there have been some vigorous and passionate debates about replacing inserts v. replacing the entire blade. I just was trying to figure out why people felt it was more appropriate to change out the inserts only v. changing out the blade completely (and vice versa).

    If people do it because of price (that changing the inserts are cheaper) or convenience (changing out the blades are easier....or having the dealership change out the inserts are cheaper and easier), then I get that, at the end of the day, it's a simple matter of one's preference.

    However, putting aside cost and/or convenience, I was trying to determine if there was some sort of functional or performance reason why people would change out the inserts only v. changing out the blade. For example, is there an aerodynamic reason for keeping the OEM blades v. changing them out with, say, Bosch Icons or Bosch Evolutions?

    Judging by your posts, I'm led to believe that there's no aerodynamic/performance reason and that the debate about changing blades v. inserts simply comes down to preference.

    Does that make more sense?
     
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    sdtundra, thank you for your reply. Amazon had a sale on the Bosch Evolutions, so I ordered 2 pairs (one for my wife's car and one for my Prius). I will compare the OEM blade to the Evolution to see if I notice any issues w/ wind noise.
     
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    I can't actually say that.

    I've done both over the years with different vehicles. Both inserts and whole new blades.

    Certainly if you read the advertising on the side of most wiper blade boxes they are going to make extraordinary claims, of superior streak free windows and aerodynamic benefits.

    I can't really say.

    But I do live where it rains a lot, and to me? Just personally, all you really need is quality rubber wiping against your glass. It's not as complicated an action as most wiper blade manufacturers would want to make it out to be.

    So for me, again just personally, the only times I've really changed the entire blade, was when the original blade started to look beat up. Years of use and sunlight can make the plastic lighten...so after a while I think it looks better with a whole new blade.

    But as far as vision out the window? Well I've never bought a fancy "Blade" that really did anything MORE than simply wipe the window with every pass....
     
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    Thank you for the input, The Electric Me. Much appreciated.
     
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    I am also one that replaces the inserts. I just do not like throwing the wiper assembly away when all I need is the insert. I have been getting around 18 months of service from the inserts. I purchase the inserts from Toyota and they are very simple to change out. You just need to remove the metal splines that ride in the grooves of the insert in order to maintain the contour of the windshield. I tried some standard Trico inserts but the tops of the blades lifted off of the window since it did not have the metal splines to create the proper contour.
     
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    Thank you for the input!
     
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    I see it as mostly a profit preference of the vendors. Decades ago, most retailers carried both. Now, most vendors have quit carrying the inserts, pushing customers to buy entire blades, pushing up retail revenue.

    If enough other customers ask for inserts, and walk out in disgust while muttering something under their breath when inserts are not available, maybe more retailers will start stocking them again.
     
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    Thanks for the input, fuzzy1.

    Just to play devil's advocate - one could also argue that the dealer's profit margin on these inserts is quite high. My local dealership wanted to charge me $16.56 for inserts for the front wipers, and $23.72 for all 3 windshield wipers. Nearly $24 for 3 pieces of rubber!!! By doing some research and comparison shopping online, I found that I could find well-reviewed wiper blades for just about the same price as what the dealer wanted to charge me for inserts alone.

    Setting aside whether a vendor makes a larger profit on inserts v. blades, my initial post really focused on why a consumer would opt for the insert v. the entire blade - whether it was purely based on price, or whether it was something else.
     
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    Retailer profit margins are quite high, and dealership margins even higher. I was comparing prices at the same retailer, back when most carried both inserts and full blades. By pushing customers to the later, they make the same big profit percentage but on a larger base.
    Some vendors and retailers have invented a fuss that changing inserts is hard and messy and prone to error, while changing whole blades is easier, more convenient, and assured of getting exact fit. While there is some element truth to this, I see it as mostly overhyped advertising-driven FUD, lightening our wallets "for our convenience".
     
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    If an insert is just the rubber, then count me in that group.
    Like my other Prius maintenance items, I buy online in amounts I estimate will last 3 - 5 years.

    Cheap, efficient, convenient, much less waste.
     
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    I found a receipt of a bulk purchase from Group1 auto parts.
    The redundant parts are to service Prii from different models :)


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