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2015 Toyota NS4 Advanced Plug-In Updates, Photos & Videos!

Discussion in 'Gen 4 Prius Main Forum' started by Sergiospl, Jun 22, 2013.

  1. Flying White Dutchman

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    to me the NS4 ( 4 as P4? ;-p ) looks 1 size bigger then the prius
    will this reallt be the P4 of just a new camry plugin
     
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    I skeptical. For one thing, the NS4 that Toyota has shown thus far is a 2012 concept. I'd expect that Toyota will reveal an updated version at the New York Show????

    Personally, I favor the bright red artist depiction below. It most definitely bears NS4 inspiration, but appears to me to be a natural evolution. Time will tell.

    Also personally, I would have to think long an hard before I would pay extra for a plug-in.

    http://www.priusfreunde.de/portal/images/fbfiles/images/Prius_4-20131025.JPG
     
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    Personally, I'd be looking for something slightly "upmarket" for my next car. I have had my Prius Gen3 for over 4 years now and feel an upgrade is due.

    Prius Gen4 would be good, NS4 would be better especially if it gives a bit more refinement at the expense of mpg, I will not go with Prius Gen4 if the interior is prone to rattle or the plastics seem too thin. I can understand why Prius would be made that way - it is (and will be) the ultimate statement of efficiency and green credentials.

    I also have the Lexus LF-NX hybrid on my radar, yes it might not appeal to everyone but it just might be the exact combination of features I need. The question is whether the NX will benefit from the next generation of HSD tech. It is supposed to be out in 2014 which can only mean one of two things:

    1. The Lexus LF-NX will not carry Prius Gen 4 HSD technology
    2. Prius Gen 4 will be out in 2014 and its technology carried over to LF-NX

    I am really hoping it will be (2)
     
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    I am ready for the Gen IV my Gen III will be 5 years old in May and I expect to have about 180,000 on it by then.
     
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    Fascinating. My "III" is about the same age, but has far fewer miles.

    I'm curious. Obviously you have gone through several set's of tires. Is the HV battery original? Any major problems? Any oil consumption? Any reduction in fuel efficiency? How about the body ... and major rattles? Is most of the miles highway?

    Share with us what you can.
     
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    Sign me up as well!
     
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    Have owned 3 Prius and 1 Camry Hybrid. The Prius is a great all round car but suffers from poor handling which the automotive press relentlessly criticizes. Hopefully, Gen IV will improve the hadling with lower center of gravity, lighter weight and rear independent suspension. Currently drive a Civic, my wife drives the Camry and my daughter an 08 Prius. Would go back to driving a Prius if it looked like the NS4 and handled like the Civic. Would also buy one for my daughters graduation in August. Are you listening Toyota?
     
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    Which August WPON1963? Next year or this? Prius IV gen most likely not this august for sure. Edmunds and other sites that look at the planned release schedule say consistently **late** 2014. I'm guessing fall and an announcement maybe in April or summer. What is getting me excited is the confirmation of the whole new Prius line, C, V, PiP and liftback. It's only confirmed that the PiP and liftback will have a revolutionary change, not sure about C or V.

    But I hope the V is the 7-8 seater they have elsewhere :p
     
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    v and c are not due for a total redesign. v hasn't even been out three years and the c less than that.
     
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    I would assume if Toyota has a whole new HSD design, then the entire Prius line would be upgraded.


    iPad ? HD
     
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    Not a good assumption. The upgrades included in the 2007 Camry did not make it to the Prius until 2010. And the 2010 HSD upgrades did not make it to the Camry until 2012 (although some of the upgrades made it to the 2011 HiHy and RXh rather than waiting until the 2014 redesign).

    Yes it looks bad with the Prius v and Prius c using an older design but it does help spread the cost of the older system over more years and it allows Toyota to spread out the timing of release of Prius models to keep people interested (i.e. the v and c will come out roughly halfway through the cycle of the Liftback and vice versa).
     
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    True, but if it includes the 1.8L and 1.5L ICE that's only found in the Prius then the assumption wouldn't be that far off.


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    The following is all suposition: (Including a few assumptions that may not be factual).

    If memory serves me, the G3 Prius was introduced in model year 2010. It was introduced with an upgraded and larger ICE, motor-generators (MG), and hybrid electronics. The v and the c were not yet on the market. When they were introduced, the v used the same ICE, MG's and hybrid system, and the c used a smaller ICE. I'm not sure about the MG's, but I assume the same hybrid system was used, although tweaked to the smaller components.

    I would presume that at such time as the G4 is introduced, the v's ICE, MG and hybrid system would be upgraded as well, even though it has been on the market for shorter than the hatchback. I'm not sure about the c.

    I would expect that a big question would be the assembly line. IF .... the hatchback and the v are assembled on the same assembly line, I would certainly expect them to have the same ICE, MG and hybrid electronics.

    Can anyone comment, but with facts?
     
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    This isn't a fact but it's based on a knowledge of Toyota's patterns. Toyota tends to run their engines on a 10 year cycle in North America. The ZR family was introduced with the 2008 Corolla and Matrix to North America (launched in 2006 in their 2006 Corolla). The previous NZ engine (the 1.5 litre) was introduced in the 2000 Echo and it's still in use today (in the Prius c). The NR engine (e.g. the 1NR in the 1.33 litre iQ) was launched several years ago.

    So my guess is that Toyota will run with the same 1.8 litre HSD setup for the Gen 4 but the other HSD components will get an upgrade (battery, inverter, elec. motors, maybe even the PSD).

    In terms of upgrades, I'm not sure what you're thinking for the v and c. The c got all the Gen 3 updates incorporated into the "old" 1NZ-FXE setup so even though the engine is old, it has the exhaust heat recovery system and the cooled exhaust gas recirculation system.

    It's possible they'll get upgrades but my bet is that nothing will change until the new generations of the v and c are introduced. This helps Toyota offset the launch of different components and allow them to maintain supply of the new components.
     
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    Yep makes sense. It'll be interesting to find out what Lexus does with their CT200h that uses the same 1.8 litre HSD setup. They'll probably follow along about 6 months later. Unless they take advantage of all those supercharger patents they've been filing.
     
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    I suspect many will disagree, but I think Toyota made a marketing error in naming the "v" the v and the "c" the c. In my mind, they are all variations of the same vehicle (although I know that is not entirely correct). But that's my point .... The way they have structured it, it is cumbersome to upgrade the hatchback without upgrading, specifically the "v."

    It has been reported that Toyota wants the PRIUS name to be a "brand name" not just a "model name." It would have been easy to have a Prius Victory. or Velocity, or Vision (for example). Many Ford vehicles share components, are assembled on the same assembly line, yet bear their now destination .... and consequently have their own identity and followers. And more to my point, they are not waiting for the v and c introduction before they can upgrade. I for one, cannot understand why the v and the c would not be upgraded along with the G4. That sounds like "politics" not engineering.

    On a side note, perhaps "v" means something in Japan, but I would guess the average American buyer is confused by the "v." It is V, Roman for five, or "v" signifying no telling what? Granted names are hard to find that catch the publics fancy, but "GTO" Stingray, Cobra, Shelby, and so many great Ferrari model names, are all public favorites. I just don't see a throng singing praises to the "v."

    Just my opinion.
     
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    I get confused when people say they have the Prius V, because I think of the regular liftback with some upgrade option. I know of the Prius IV and III but that's just options. V was supposed to be versatile and in other countries it's the Alpha and Prius + which made more sense. C for city...yeah the letters confuse me as well.

    Now we're all waiting for the Prius IV, or is the the Prius 4th :p
     
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    I'm starting to feel as though my PIP was a bit of a test-model. It looks like the NS4 is more than a 4th gen Prius. Judging from the pictures, I'd bet it has an even lower drag coefficient.

    It makes more sense to keep the number of variants low, therefore why produce non plug-in models? Different sizes would make sense, as the Prius c, Prius and Prius v models each fit a different demographic. As efficient as the Prius already is, I've always felt that there was a lot more room for further development.
     
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    It could be something so mundane as "c" for compact and "v" for van, versatile, or very big.