Upscale Prii an endangered species ?

i have a 2012 IV prius.

my next car with be the accord hybrid

 

When Toyota decides to make a diesel hybrid, I'm going pre-order it!!!!

 

I'd rather have a hatchback. Sedan hybrids have very limited cargo abilities.

If you want some of the most basic of luxuries (leather or nav), you'll need to move up the accord line which tops out at $36k with shipping. Granted at the price point the accord is very nicely appointed.

 

The answer is no. There are a lot of cars out there that cost "a few thousand" dollars more and get worse fuel economy. The new Accord is no exception. The fact remains that the Prius is an extremely economical car that really has no $ for $ match. I traded in my very plush truck for one and never looked back. Almost all those $ options, (with exception of the safety ones), are fluff IMO.

Plus, the powertrain in the Prius is how many years old. So is the jellybean shape. The 2015 Prius gets a new powertrain and shape and should nuke everything on the market once again. But I hear the 2025 Accord should be a little nicer.

 

My wife has a 2007 Honda Accord. I would definitely prefer a Honda Accord Hybrid over my Prius for the same price and mpg. We drove that car off the lot and have not had the first problem with it and now at about 85k miles.

Depending on how the first year goes with the new HAH I will probably be replacing my wife's car the following year.

 

I'd have to get some hours in the HAH to be able to tell, but if my job location were in Aichi, Japan I'd be extremely nervous about this car.
Most of the Honda owners that I know are extremely loyal to that brand, and several former Honda owners that I know are looking for an excuse to go back into that fold.

On paper?
The HAH looks pretty dang good.
We'll see.

 

[quote="revhigh, a lotof things are going to change because by 2025 all vehicles on the road will have to get 50 miles per gallon weather its A truck orSUV or minivan right now we're special but like everything else it doesn't last so heed my advice don't be in such a rush to get the Honda Accord because all makes and models eventually will be hybrid by 2025 to be exact.

 

Do we have proof that the hybrid Accord will get those MPG numbers in the real world?

 

A fully-optioned 2014 Accord Hybrid Touring will run you $35.6k MSRP, whereas a fully-loaded 2014 Prius Five will cost $31.2k MSRP, a $4,400 difference. It's not really an apples to apples comparison.

But if you opt for the EX-L version, it's $3k less, and is nicely equipped with leather and moonroof.

That said, the Accord Hybrid is still a bargain for what you're getting, no matter what level you pick.

 

The term "Prius Killer" seems to get used any and every time a new Hybrid get's released.

I'm not saying The Prius doesn't have competition, and that it won't have stiffer competition in the future.

But for as many times as a "Prius Killer" has come along? The Prius always seems to do nothing but remain the benchmark.

With the expansion of Prius into a "Prius Family" and with Toyota's willingness to rebuild, expand and improve the product over the passage of time, I really do nothing but welcome competition. Infact, when I get to the point where I'm contemplating my next purchase I hope the choice is as difficult as possible because of the addition of competing options.

I'd take a look at the Honda Accord Hybrid, I don't like buying a first model year, I prefer to let a few years pass to let any problems or bugs get ironed out.

Does that make the Accord Hybrid a Prius Killer...no. It simply makes it a Hybrid Option from a competing manufacturer and I think that's a good thing.

 

o/p is obviously ignorant of the hybrid market, and projecting his own desires as a result. hyacc will compete with hycam as the non hybrid versions do. if anything, toyota will have to make the hycam more competitive, but since it already gets 50 mpg, it will come down to honda people vs toyota people, as it always does.

 

In general, fair point.

But I think all Mid-Size Hybrids at some level compete with each other. Even The Prius vs. The Hybrid Camry.
Even if you want a Hybrid Camry and end up in a Hybrid Camry, at some point in your vehicle purchase evaluation process you probably at least momentarily considered the advantages of Prius, Prius v, vs. The Hybrid Camry.

So I think you are correct that Hybrid Accord competes more directly and clearly against the Hybrid Camry, but I do think for the Non-Owner, who is entering the market, at least on a introductory level, they all compete against each other.

I'd exclude the Prius c, because I think it's compact size makes it far more specific to the buyer. In other words, I think it is probably very rare you'd be in the market for a Prius, Hybrid Camry, or Hybrid Accord, but then end up in a Prius c. Even though, even in that case I'd bet you could find an exception or two to that rule.

 

I believe that the worthy competitors of Priuses are not strand enough to nick much of the Prius market. An appropriate Prius killer would be a commercial production car that breaks the 100MPG barrier.

Guys and Gals, we are getting closer to break that barrier:

Hybrid Diesels!

 

Well here is where I relax if I'm a Toyota Fan....( I do say "If")

As most of us in Prius Chat know, Prius means "To Go Before".

Since The Prius's inception, Toyota IMO has always thought of The Prius as a benchmark or leading vehicle in their line-up, this support IMO is what has lead to the great success Toyota has had with Prius.

Regardless of what tangible products the competition puts on the market, and I have no problem with how numerous or good they might be or become, I still expect Toyota to embrace that the same philosophy with Prius they seem to have applied almost from the start.

In simplest terms? Whatever "Prius Killer" might come down the line? I expect Toyota to react, and keep The Prius atop the Hybrid Pyramid as continually one of the leaders. The expansion of "Prius" into a family of vehicles only increases Toyota's flexibility in reacting to any challenges that might come along.

 

I believe that Toyota will continue to innovate this sector. The indisputable course of action in the hybrid world has to be Diesels. I just wish that its Toyota who does it first.

The Prius killer might even be a Prius specie. We just need to make sure that the killed Prius is an inferior generation specie.

 

It's a non-starter for me. When I bought the Prius, one of my main requirements was high cargo capacity. The standard Accord has much less cargo space than the Prius, and about half that is lost in the hybrid variant. A car designed as a hybrid from the start will always be superior to a conversion.

 

i believe diesel can be disputed.

 

For many years I've said that the ideal hybrid for me would be designed like a WW2 submarine; the diesel engine would do nothing but drive a generator that powers the motors and charges the battery as needed. There would be a motor at each wheel individually controlled by the computer, giving all-wheel drive and superior handling.

 

Diesels do exist; I drove one for 16 years.