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Any thoughts on the next generation Prius Plug in??

Discussion in 'Gen 4 Prius Main Forum' started by alfon, Sep 22, 2013.

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  1. john1701a

    john1701a Prius Guru

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    The word -CONTINUOUS- needs to be included. Don't be leaving out that part.
     
    #41 john1701a, Nov 11, 2013
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    I'll remember that the next time I come to the PPI's defense.
     
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  3. john1701a

    john1701a Prius Guru

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    Leaving out vital detail doesn't help anyone. In fact, that often contributes to misconceptions. Notice the same questions get asked over and over for that very reason...
     
    #43 john1701a, Nov 11, 2013
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    DavidA Prius owner since July 2009

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    Living in Illinois, I've never seen that window sticker. I sure hope it's more. If it's still 10-15 actual miles in model years 2015 through 2020, then the car's electric range will look ridiculous with competition ramping up near the end of PIP II's production. I'm in if I can get 17-25 real world out of the thing in warmer weather. More is better of course.
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    It's the EPA window sticker. As I said, it's fine print, just under the EV range graph.
     
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    That totally depends on the rest of the market, acceptance & affordability. It could just as easily be ubiquitous.
     
    #46 john1701a, Nov 12, 2013
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    Drawbacks of a big battery and EV range variations! Rather rely on 50 mpg after whatever ev range I get.
     
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    I wonder if different sized battery capacity might be an option. There seems to be a range of opinions on interior volume versus battery weight. While I trust Toyota to find what works best overall, not all buyers have the same priorities.
     
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    Tideland Prius Moderator of the North
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    It could increase the cost and I think right now Toyota is working on reducing the "hybrid premium" until it's no different than an extra cost option to move up to a V6 (so that's about $1,000-$2,000).

    With the PHV, I think Toyota's stance is lower cost and reduced charging times which means we probably won't see high EV ranges akin to the Volt but rather incremental increases in EV range and a reduction in cost to get more people to buy. This leads me to believe that there will be just one battery capacity option to keep costs down and production streamlined.
     
    #49 Tideland Prius, Nov 13, 2013
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    markabele owner of PiP, then Leaf, then Model 3

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    But we all know that reduced charging time thing is total bunk.
     
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    The current 3 hour charge time is fairly quick. I didn't mean to say that the charge time will be reduced in the next gen. Sorry for the confusion if that's how it came across.

    If they are working on wireless induction charging, then it might not be as big of a "hassle" for the general public. The process of charging frequently with a cable might be ok for most people on PriusChat but the general public who aren't car geeks or hybrid geeks may see it as an inconvenience so induction charging will take away that component.
     
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    markabele owner of PiP, then Leaf, then Model 3

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    No I mean.... when people say it has a faster charge time than the Volt.

    also, a full charge is closer to 2.25 hours than 3.
     
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    I think he was referring to the fact that short charge times, in and of themselves, are irrelevant. The real issue is charge rate. The Prius PHV charges at the same rate as every other car at 120v but it charges slower than every other car at 240v.

    Charge rates are limited by battery size, chemistry, and cost factors associated with the battery charging hardware itself. The slower charging rate at 240v in the Prius is presumably limited by the battery size. So, contrary to what you sort of implied, a larger battery size would be good for the charge rate. For instance a battery the size of the Ford Energi pack at 7.6 kWh instead of 4.4 kWh would allow a 240v charge rate of 15-16A which the Energi (and Volt) use rather than the Prius PHV rate of 9-10A.
     
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    Can't wait to see what is actually delivered
     
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    windstrings Certified Prius Breeder

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    The wait is part of the experience.

    Some have done it 3 times now. A select few of us have 4 times. Each was well worth it.

    There is obvious frustration with business, market, and technology factors interfering with what would seem a predictable schedule. But that happens. It's what contributes to change being so difficult.

    Patience pays off in the end.
     
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