If not a Prius, then what car for great MPG?

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    My daily commute is about an hour, each way, 64 miles round trip. I'm debating changing out my existing car for something that is less expensive to operate at the pump and all around.

    I test drove a 2004 & 2007 Prius yesterday. The 2004 seemed to have more leg room, though neither would have what I call a lot of leg room for the driver. I'm 6'5" with shoes on and have a 34" inseam. To be comfortable for long periods of driving I need my thighs to be supported, which means my feet need to be away from the seat. For the brief period of time I was in those Prius' yesterday, neither had enough room past the peddles to let my leg straighten out so that my left leg is comfortable. It felt to me that the 2007 model had less room than the 2004 model.

    I was playing around in my current car (2002 Benz C320) on the drive home from test driving the Prius' and found that I could straighten out my left leg, if I put my toes in right spot. Not a chance I could do that in the Prius, that I could find/see. Its funny the specs on a 04-06 Prius vs my current car list nearly identical leg room. No idea where those measurements are being taken, but I disagree. :)

    I was tossing around the idea of having the drivers seat moved back in the cabin, but then that would screw with the seat belts, and other safety features. :( I looked behind the drivers seat in the 2004 when the seat was all the way back, and there was a lot of room between the back of the seat and the front of the rear seat. I was thinking to myself, ah, Toyota engineers why did you leave that space unused?

    Assuming I'm right and that I don't fit in a Prius, does anyone have other suggestions for a good commuter car, being reliable and good MPG? Either hybrid, diesel, or gas. I've put together a spreadsheet and the numbers I see say that a 36 MPG diesel is about the same as a 32 MPG gasser. (Though neither beat a Prius.) I suspect that a VW Jetta diesel that averages about 45MPG, would save me about $527/year, while a Prius would save me $678/year compared to what I'm driving now.

    I'm also limited by the cash I have available to purchase, about $7,000, as I don't borrow money.
     
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    There is a rail extension for the drivers seat. It will give you 3-4" more legroom. No other car even comes close to the Prius for real world fuel economy.
     
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    Awesome! Now to find a car with it installed so I can sit/drive a little. I agree from what I know now, nothing else comes close to the fuel savings of a Prius.
     
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    Every seat rail extension I've seen for other cars is strictly aftermarket, usually made by a hobbyist rather than a company, due to liability concerns. I assume it would be the same for a Prius (though I don't know for certain) and it would likely be hard to find a used car with the extension installed. Maybe you can find a member in your area that has the extension that would let you try out their car.
     
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    With about $7000 I would get a manual transmission Civic. Prius of that price most likely will be high-mileage and likely will need some kind of expensive repair if you don't DIY.

    Just my opinion.

    - Alex
     
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    Here's a link to the one I'm talking about (def not done by a DIYer).
    Toyota Prius Seat Extension - Tall Driver

    I really dont understand why people on this site are always so negative about everything??? Everytime I post something, the very next post is nearly always a neg comment about what I said.
     
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    I have EE degree, so I can fix my old hi-mileage Prius. Otherwise, at dealer, its expensive. And not many regular mechanics can fix it. Therefore high price of repair.
    Pretty much any decent mechanic can fix Civic with manual tranny. What's to fix? Clutch or timing belt?

    Please dont take it as a negative...just discussion

    - Alex
     
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    Being a newbie I couldn't post a link, or even a quote with a link, so thank you usnavystgc. I found those same ones with a quick search. If I get a Prius I'll be getting those for sure.
     
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    Until today that was not important enough to try ?
     
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    As for a manual Civic, I've thought about that. I've nixed the idea of a manual transmission because my commute has me driving on highways (820 & 183 in DFW) that many times are more parking lots than roadways. It was years ago when I last drove a stick, but I remember not liking them at all for stop/go driving. Since my commute can consist of that, then miles of cruise at 70mph, then back to stop/go, I don't think I'd enjoy a stick for too long.

    At this point in my financial life, I'm willing to drive higher mileage cars in return for no car payments! A couple of months ago I moved up from a $3500 dollar car to a $6500 car. I don't have as much cash at this point to move up significantly with a Prius. I'm not in a panic so I can take my time.

    I'd done it before, enough to be comfortable, this time I tried to see if I could get my left knee locked, and I could. Most cars I can tell fairly soon after getting in, if I'll be comfortable in the seat or not. Usually power seats are required, so that the front part can raise up and support my thighs.
     
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    Welcome to priuschat :D
     
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    Thank you.

    I'm starting thin that maybe I should wait until I'm ready to spend about $10K on a car and then get a Prius. For example I found the same guy (wholesale dealer) selling a 2007 with 240K miles asking $6,000 while a 2007 with 79K miles asking $10,000. The first being too many miles for my taste, while the 2nd is nice mileage wise but more than my budget can handle right now.
     
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    Are you looking for purely a commuter car or is this a primary vehicle?
     
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    Mainly commuter car, but also my primary, as in I will use it on weekends, etc. Our other car is a 2006 Toyota Sienna (60K miles), which when the 4 of us go anywhere is the vehicle we take. More due to size and car seats are in it and switching them is well a pia. Though I bet if we had a Prius and we were going far we'd opt for the Prius if we could.

    About 2 minutes ago I got a text alert from my traffic app, delay of 17 minutes for my route home, time 61 minutes, with avg speed of 31.2mph. Makes me want a Prius. :)
     
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    I'm 6'6 tall, 230lbs.

    In my 2008, I added the seat extenders from Extend My seat.

    Life changing. (ps I paid $10k for my 08 with 101k)

    My 2012 doesn't require the extenders because the seat has more thigh support and my knees are higher.

    Here's the difference before and after seat extenders in the 08. (foot on gas pedal in each pic, and seat in full rearward position)
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    $10k financed over 5 yrs is only $200 a month. The gas you save will cover the diff between financing 6k and financing 10k.
     
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    How about an input shaft bearing or mainshaft bearing in that Honda manual tranny? I replaced the mainshaft bearing in my old 92 Civic VX myself (many moons ago now) and although the new bearing was only $20, it was no picnic to drop the tranny to replace that bad bearing and put in a new clutch (which it needed anyway after 150K miles).

    Hondas generally have great reliability but their cars aren't nearly as bulletproof as some believe them to be.

    To the OP, keep looking for a Prius. You'll love the reliability and outstanding mpg (assuming you can move the seat further back so you fit in it comfortably). You're going to have to save up some more dough though. $7K won't be nearly enough to buy an 06 to 07 Prius with less than 150K miles. Don't even think about buying an 04 or 05 unless the traction battery has been replaced. An original NiMH battery from an 04 or 05 won't last very much longer in the DFW heat.
     
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    I haven't looked at loan rates in 5 years or more. I agree mathematically it appears to be better to borrow $10k for say 36 months at 2.19% which would cost about $455 in interest over the life of the loan, while I'd save $600 plus per year in gas, less the interest paid on the loan. The problem with the math formula is that it does not take risk into account. Something could happen over the life of the loan and jam me up

    I can not describe the peace that came into my life when I bought my house with cash! I still have some other debt but that will be gone soon.
     
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    I think I'll be happier in the long run if I wait and save up $10k and then look for a good 2007 or newer Prius with low miles and then install seat extenders.
     
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    Thank you so much!! That picture along with your stats is very helpful. I suspect the seat extenders will make the difference I need.