1. Attachments are working again! Check out this thread for more details and to report any other bugs.

How is highway mileage so good?

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Main Forum' started by taiwwa, Aug 5, 2013.

  1. taiwwa

    taiwwa Junior Member

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2013
    11
    0
    0
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    I
    So the Prius gets like 48 MPG on the highway.

    Well,

    I recently drove a toyota corolla on a highway trip and I got about 39/40.

    The thing is, for highway driving, the prius uses the gas engine more, and in that case, the electrical drive components should be dead weight -- e.g. gas mileage of a prius on the highway should be less than my corolla.

    How is this so?
     
  2. llgeisz

    llgeisz Junior Member

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2005
    13
    7
    0
    Location:
    Sun City AZ
    Vehicle:
    2013 Prius
    Model:
    Persona
    Aerodynamics, it is the way the Prius is designed...
     
  3. snoctor

    snoctor Member

    Joined:
    Jun 21, 2009
    126
    27
    0
    Location:
    Davis, CA
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    III
    Couple reasons. The gas engine in the Prius is not the same as in the Corolla. The Prius engine is an Atkinson, which is more efficient than standard engines. Also, the electric motor is not dead weight, but is providing power to assist the gas engine. And it can get much much better than 48 on the highway. For me I get better highway mileage than around town, hi 50's easy.
     
  4. g4_power

    g4_power Junior Member

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2013
    105
    13
    0
    Vehicle:
    2004 Prius
    Model:
    I
    I personally get over 50 mpg on freeways. Just to name a few reasons for the high mileage

    - atkinson engine
    - body shape
    - electrical drive is not dead weight
    - one could glide on freeways
    - LRR tires
     
  5. rdgrimes

    rdgrimes Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2013
    1,740
    446
    4
    Location:
    New Mexico, USA
    Vehicle:
    2018 Prius Prime
    Model:
    N/A
    Lets not forget the engine is tiny, and the ECVT is making it more efficient.
     
  6. Drdiesel

    Drdiesel Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2013
    585
    152
    0
    Location:
    Monterey CA
    Vehicle:
    Other Electric Vehicle
    Model:
    N/A
  7. taiwwa

    taiwwa Junior Member

    Joined:
    Jul 26, 2013
    11
    0
    0
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    I
    Eh, so I'm guessing it probably works like...

    gas engine maintains speed.

    Electric motor used for acceleration.

    ?

    Interesting. Atkinson cycle reminds me a lot of diesel, actually.
     
  8. bisco

    bisco cookie crumbler

    Joined:
    May 11, 2005
    110,133
    50,050
    0
    Location:
    boston
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    it uses both for either, depending on what the software is sensing, it isn't one or the other like most other hybrids.
     
  9. jgilliam1955

    jgilliam1955 Sometime your just gotta cry! 2013 Prius 4.

    Joined:
    Mar 13, 2011
    368
    102
    0
    Location:
    Williamsburg, Virginia
    Vehicle:
    2013 Prius
    Model:
    Four
    Should of rented a Prius.:p

    SCH-I535 ? 2
     
  10. g4_power

    g4_power Junior Member

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2013
    105
    13
    0
    Vehicle:
    2004 Prius
    Model:
    I

    Yes, the electric motor kicks in when power is needed. When there's a down slope, I back off on the accelerator and in many cases, the engine shuts off. Depending on how steep the slope is, I would either use the electric motor just to maintain speed or glide (no regen and no power input). I always try to use electric only when power requirement is low, like going down a slope.

    Based on what I read, Atkinson engine is very efficient but lack power density. That's where the electric motor comes into play during acceleration.
     
  11. energyandair

    energyandair Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 9, 2009
    905
    339
    0
    Location:
    Victoria BC Canada
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    I believe that whenever possible the Prius also proportions ICE and electricity so than whenever the ICE is running, it runs near maximum efficiency. For example, if it cannot quite run on electric power alone , it will start the ice, run it up to an efficient speed then cut back electric power or switch into charging mode to keep the ICE in that range.
     
  12. hlunde

    hlunde Member

    Joined:
    Dec 22, 2009
    419
    75
    1
    Location:
    NJ
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    III
    -- Prius driveline losses may be lower.
    -- The Corolla, depending on model year and maintenance history, may not have been using 0W20 oil.
    -- The Prius transaxle, while not actually a CVT, does allow the engine to operate at near optimum RPM.
     
  13. css28

    css28 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2012
    1,566
    442
    3
    Location:
    Suburban Detroit
    Vehicle:
    2011 Prius
    Model:
    Three
    Under a light load (say, descending a slight slope) the engine can be turning 1200 rpm at 70 mph.

    The system's very flexible and intelligent.

    Also, don't forget the ugly wheelcovers. They play some small part too :).
     
  14. Jon Hagen

    Jon Hagen Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2011
    336
    136
    0
    Location:
    North Dakota
    Vehicle:
    Other Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    Several things. The Prius atkinson cycle engine is more efficient than a conventional Otto cycle engine, the stepless HSD IVT transmission makes for better efficiency and the Prius has a very low CD.
     
  15. GasperG

    GasperG Senior Member

    Joined:
    May 13, 2011
    1,168
    598
    1
    Location:
    Slovenia
    Vehicle:
    2018 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    No other transmission in any car has so tall gears especially with so underpowered engine in low rpm that Prius has. You can drive 80 mph with only 2.000 rpm on a flat road, the only cars that can do that have 3-4 times torque of Prius engine and those cars (especially diesels) are the only one capable of high MPG on highway.

    And of course low CD, LRR tyres ...
     
  16. Codyroo

    Codyroo Senior Member

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2007
    1,826
    515
    6
    Location:
    Pleasanton, Ca
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    IV
    48 mpg on the highway? Only when I'm driving into a stiff headwind.....
     
  17. JuRuKi

    JuRuKi Junior Member

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2013
    61
    13
    0
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius
    Model:
    IV
    How can you tell if you have a headwind or tailwind?
     
  18. RamAirDave

    RamAirDave Junior Member

    Joined:
    May 29, 2013
    28
    4
    0
    Location:
    Yukon, Oklahoma
    Vehicle:
    2013 Prius
    Model:
    Persona
    I am curious as to how anyone is getting high 50's on the highway?? At what speeds and for how long? My wife just drove to Ohio and back and averaged 43-46 but the car was literally a week old.

    We typically average 48-53 mixed driving.

    Have it in ECO mode and try to constantly monitor the MPG gauge and PWR gauge to get the most efficiency possible. Granted in 100 degree heat we are not going to skimp on the A/C so that would really only be the big drawback. Also we live in OK so hills are typically not an issue lol.

    Dave
     
  19. JimboPalmer

    JimboPalmer Tsar of all the Rushers

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2009
    12,470
    6,871
    2
    Location:
    Greenwood MS USA
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius v wagon
    Model:
    Three
    (this is a 2010, but no MAJOR engine or transaxle changes have happened since 2010)
    [​IMG]As you can see, at about 62 MPH you should get 'high 50s' Check your local laws, while I am allowed to drive 40 MPH on MS freeways, one person claims the minimum speed allowed in FL is 60 MPH. I find it is often unsafe to travel more than 5 MPH under the speed limit.

    Speed limits in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
  20. g4_power

    g4_power Junior Member

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2013
    105
    13
    0
    Vehicle:
    2004 Prius
    Model:
    I

    You may want to check your tire pressure. My dealer only put 30 psi in my tires. I jacked it up to 40 psi. Jimbo's chart is a good reference. If you want more mpg, then you will have to reduce speed. Even though the Prius' body shape is optimized for aerodynamic, it still has to overcome the wind resistance.

    If OK is really flat like you implied, you may want to see if cruise control could get you better mpg.