1. Attachments are working again! Check out this thread for more details and to report any other bugs.

Noise from Brakes

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by 04SMUG, Aug 1, 2013.

  1. 04SMUG

    04SMUG New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2013
    9
    0
    0
    Vehicle:
    2004 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    My brakes are making a noise like a belt slipping when I'm at a complete stop. The noise only happens when I'm at a stop, brakes work fine. Lift my foot off the brake, noise goes away. Seems to be coming from front drivers side.
    What should I look for?
     
  2. exbauer

    exbauer Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2006
    1,185
    101
    0
    Location:
    Washington
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
  3. 04SMUG

    04SMUG New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2013
    9
    0
    0
    Vehicle:
    2004 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    Thanks for the link. Did a search for "brakes" but had not gone back that far.
    What I got from the link is that it might be intermittent, might be air in the brake line, or might be the actuator that needs replacing...
    Hoping for intermittent. Doesn't seem to be a safety issue (at this time).
     
  4. exbauer

    exbauer Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 16, 2006
    1,185
    101
    0
    Location:
    Washington
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    Mine is in the shop and getting the brake actuator replaced. Hopefully it isn't that in yours.
     
  5. 04SMUG

    04SMUG New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2013
    9
    0
    0
    Vehicle:
    2004 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    Just got back from a drive. I discovered that this barking noise (does kind of sound like a seal!) only happens when I push the brake all the way to the floor. If I pull off a bit the brakes are still engaged but there is no noise. To me that solves the problem, no repair needed!
     
  6. cnschult

    cnschult Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2008
    772
    96
    0
    Location:
    Michigan
    Vehicle:
    2005 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    Why are you pushing the brake pedal all the way to the floor? Under normal driving a Prius owner should rarely ever use his conventional hydarulic brakes. Regen braking saves your brake pads and helps your MPGs. The downside is a Prius' rotors turn to rust very quickly, a trick is once a month get up to speed and when safe to do so slam on the brakes, this overrides the regen braking and clamps down on the regular brakes, knocking any rust off the rotors and drums that had formed since the last time you had performed a hard stop.

    you have described the noises but not how anything feels. Do the brakes feel strong when you are stopping? Does it feel like there is any 'drag' while you are driving, are your mpgs down? if so you could have a caliper malfunction (not releasing the pads from the rotor). This is why when I do a brake job, even if the rear brakes are fine I still spray them down with brake cleaner to get all the brake dust out of the drum. Sometimes problems and noises at the rear sound like they are coming from the front, its hard to be certain when you are inside the car as the soundwaves are bouncing all over the place. It is also very important to lube the caliper slides with high temperature brake lube. Hydraulic fluid is very strong, so is your foot, you're almost always certainly going to be able to stop, but when its time to go again you want the brakes to release and that's where the caliper lube comes into play.

    As I stated a Prius rarely uses the brakes so your steel rotors will rust from the inside out. Once that rust creeps over the top and back onto the actual surface that mates up with the pad, you're going to get noises as the pads are designed to quitly stop a smooth steel rotor, not a rusted one. This is a safety issue, replace the rotors and lube the slides as your occasionally noise will get worse and worse as the rotors get rustier and rustier. Rotors must be clean and oil-free in order to work properly, therefor you cannot coat a rotor in any sort of oil or rust-inhibitor, so a Prius owner should just buy cheap POS rotors from advance auto parts and consider them to have a short life.

    There was a time when rotors lasted well over 100,000 miles and pads had to be changed every 15,000 miles. times have changed, rotors are getting thinner to save weight and improve fuel economy, the money you save on fuel by using a lighter rotor will far exceed the extra cost of a few sets of extra rotors. the brake pads on a Prius can easily last 100,000 miles, some people report using 25% of the pad in 80,000 miles so do the math. But that doesn't mean you can just throw on a new rotor as the pads have been grooved and mated to the old rotor, you should put 2 or 3 different sheets of sandpaper on a smooth surface (glass is best) and sand the old brake pads down before reusing them.
     
  7. 04SMUG

    04SMUG New Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2013
    9
    0
    0
    Vehicle:
    2004 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    I'm not pushing the brakes all the way to the floor to stop, but once at a full stop I was resting the full weight of my leg and foot on the brake, thus pushing the pedal all the way down. That's the only time the noise occurred, I was not slamming on the brakes to stop!
    There are no other problems with the brakes; they stop fine and don't drag.

    The front brakes were done less than 10K miles ago at Toyota dealer by the previous owner (I have a receipt + toyotaowners.com confirms).

    I was driving my other Toyota today (RAV4) and noticed that that's what I do at a stop light, push down all the way on the brake. I have to use my leg muscle to not depress it all the way and I guess I'm just lazy like that! I'm still learning how to drive the Prius (just 2 weeks old), I'll get the hang of it.
    Just glad to have learned that the problem is not with the car, but with the driver!

    ps. I'm in Las Vegas. We average about 4" of rain per year, spread out, so rust is not a problem!
     
  8. cnschult

    cnschult Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 9, 2008
    772
    96
    0
    Location:
    Michigan
    Vehicle:
    2005 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    Your brake pedal is connected to a rod that goes into the brake master cylinder on the other side of the firewall, your foot provides the necessary mechanical force to push the rod in, inside there are springs that will push it back out, you don't want to constantly be compressing those springs as they may not want to come back out all the way, which may lead to future problems.

    I have a couple of '74 Sonett's and my biggest fear is always brake master or clutch master cylinder failure. Some people even put a block of wood under the carpets just so they can't accidentally overextend rods. my $.02, good luck breaking the habit.