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2010 vs. 2013, Difference?

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Main Forum' started by VicVinegar, Jun 22, 2013.

  1. VicVinegar

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    So my workhorse commuter car is probably too pricey to fix at this point, so economics would point me towards a Civic. I've become accustomed to a sunroof, and I'd like to have a Nav system with XM, traffic, and streaming bluetooth audio, so I've focused on the Prius IV.

    I drove a 2013 today and am going to check out a 2010 CPO with 21k on it this weekend. The 2010 is listed for $22k, so I'd save quite a bit over a new IV with solar roof.

    I've done some searching but can't find much on it. Are there any major differences between a 2010 and 2013 that would make the extra coin worth it? I drive approximately 22k miles a year, so I'd be out of warranty pretty quickly either way. If anything, I'd probably get a bit more powertrain warranty out of the CPO.

    I hate to be yet another first time poster asking a question, but I honestly couldn't track this down lurking or Googling.
     
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    nothing notable nor worth the thousands of dollars in price difference. that's why i chose my '20 over a newer model year. solar roof?? really? nty.
     
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    Tail lights, radio and LED DR'sL to name a few.
     
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    Better looking front end. Cool zebra striped tail lights. Softtex seats in the Four and Five. The moonroof is very nice.

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    The 2013 will also have power driver's seat the 2010 only has power lumbar. Believe me I wish I had the power seat! Also, the 2010 doesn't have automatic headlights (they turn off, but not on). The solar roof is a nice feature, I've found it really does keep my car cooler here in the Florida heat.
     
  6. VicVinegar

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    Thanks for the responses and welcome.

    Regarding the radio, I'm guessing the 2010 doesn't have Entune? I didn't even get to try the feature since I don't have the app on my phone. Really I am after bluetooth phone, streaming audio from the phone, and the actual navigation system with traffic to maybe get out of some DC area gridlock every now and then. Although I know the quality of these systems has vastly improved with some brands in the past 5 years (or not...looking at you Honda).

    I'm just looking at it like this. I'm buying the Prius to keep cost of ownership low, so why spend $6-7k more right off the bat for a new one? I'll blow through the new car warranty in no time anyway, the CPO warranty would actually give me an extra year of powertrain, which I shouldn't even need with a Prius. With that said, this is my first new car in 11 years, so I would like to up my level of comfort/convenience, hence the heated seats etc. in the IV. If I could get a sunroof without the solar roof feature, I probably would skip it since it appears to add about $2k to the package. My car sits in a covered parking garage at work, and garage at home.

    One other question if you don't mind. How do the low-rolling resistance tires do in the rain? Any difference from a good Michelin that isn't necessarily made for fuel economy? Over the years I've had tires that were downright scary in rain, and I've come to trust the Michelins I have now, but they aren't LRR. For the light winters we get in this area, I'd probably just buy some dedicated winter tires. My 5 AM departure for work usually means the roads are a crap shoot.
     
  7. JMD

    JMD 2012 Prius 4 Solar Roof

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    I'd buy the used car with the warranty. You can save money.

    The LRR can save you money on gas with improved MPG.

    There are plenty of great tires out there that are very good in rain and are LRR

    Michelin has one also.

    Ask your tire question on this chat and you should get a Good answer or browse through the evaluations

    Low Rolling Resistance replacement tires: Current List | PriusChat


    Good luck

    This tire sale is national at all dealers now image.jpg
     
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    I have a 2012 Prius 4 for two months now loaded with entune and solar roof etc. brand new at the dealer for $29k as of last week thay had one left in Dk Gray that's $4k off but New! You can try Fox Lake Toyota, Fox Lake, Illinois
     
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    JMD 2012 Prius 4 Solar Roof

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    If you can get new car for just a few grand more it may be worth your time
     
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    Usually when something new is being built, you will see a lot of bugs. 2010 Prius is the first one of the third generation therefore it has more problems than the later year models. However for the later year models, many times they are not only fixed most of the bugs but new things would also be added and that would lead to some new bugs to appear. You can see the problems graph by using google to search for "carcomplaints" and then select "Toyota" + "Prius".
     
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    JMD 2012 Prius 4 Solar Roof

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    The 2010 Prius had a brake actuator recall but that problem was corrected in 2011 model

    The 2010 cargo Net anchors were not anchored but corrected in 2011

    Etc

    First year in a new gen release is not the best year

    By the third most problems have been corrected

    But in general the gen 3 first year was a good car
     
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    Here's Consumers Report rating on Prius Notice after 2010 it's perfect

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    New Car Prediction[​IMG] Much better than average
     
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    JMD 2012 Prius 4 Solar Roof

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    What state will the car be registered in? Are you in a Carb State?

    Carb state is 10 years 150,000 mile warranty on the main Traction battery
     
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    Thanks for the info, I had looked at the CR report and 2010 hardly seemed "bad". It looks better than probably 80% of the other cars on there for any given year.

    Price difference is ~21k vs. advertised deals of around $28.5k on a new Prius IV with roof. The downside I'm looking at is the Toyota CPO warranty only gives you an extra 12k miles for bumper to bumper, so 6 months for me. I thought it might be the same as Honda which tacks on an extra 12k for a total of 48k bumper to bumper. Both have the 7/100 powertrain.

    Ultimately it is too bad there appears to only be 2010 Prius IVs available certified used in my area. Most are II and III models. Heck, I think there were more V's available than IV's.
     
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    No Virginia, the state that is adding an annual tax on hybrids because they appreciate the low emissions so much. At least I'll get HOV access on one highway if I pay the annual plate fee.
     
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    ---How much will the plate fee be?
     
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    Your neighbors to the south (NC) are considering the same thing. I've read that it's somewhere in the $50-100 range.
     
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    JMD 2012 Prius 4 Solar Roof

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    The used seems like a good deal. You will save money. Traveling a little to get the exact car model and color is a good choice.

    The cars seem very reliable in most cases just routine maintenance for the first 10 years. Prius is known as a reliable car. So you'll get a good 7 years before some repairs present themselves but individual results may vary depending on care of the car.
     
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    I have lifetime traffic on the Garmin nuvi. The program sounds good. Usually its idea of "congestion" is much more liberal than mine (what congestion?). It also notifies me of real congestion after I'm parked in it. (Thank you.) On my last trip back from DC it did not inform me that I-295 northbound was closed at the hairpin curve. If I knew that I could have exited on US130.

    The Denso unit was worse. The only time I was informed of congestion was going into the Lincoln Tunnel. Everyone who isn't an occasional tourist knows about the delays with the tunnels & bridges. IMO, not worth the subscription.

    The only time I listen to the radio is when XM turns it on for free and I remember. Use the USB port in the armrest to listen to whatever you want.

    LRR tires will save more in fuel cost than you'll spend on the tires over 60000 miles. Over 3 years I got 53.55mpg on the OEM tires. I'm currently getting 48.48mpg on Yokohama AVID ENVigor tires.

    The 2010 MY was long and has three stages. "Early" does not have the USB port in the armrest and does not have Safety Connect (buttons by rear view mirror). "Middle" production does not have SC. "Late" (Oct-Nov 2009) production has both.

    For 2010 you are looking for two cars: III Solar & IV Solar. The regions don't order & import everything so some combinations can be very hard to find.
     
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    Again, thanks for the input. I think I'll get over to see the 2010 IV tomorrow. Make sure it is still there. I'd prefer the dark gray to the silver, but silver isn't bad.

    The HOV plate is an extra $25 a year. On top of that Virginia is adding $65/year to hybrids for our car tax. Apparently the hybrids need to make up for the gas tax they don't pay.

    I currently use USB exclusively in my car, but it has a file limit, so I cannot put my whole library on there. With the bluetooth streaming, I'd hope to get my entire library on my Galaxy S3 with a 64 gb card. Other than that, I listen to XM for talk radio and music radio that actually plays some variety in genres I like.

    And I'm not worried about the cost of tires, more the wet weather performance. I've had tires in the past that were downright scary in rain on a highway and would like to avoid that without sacrificing fuel economy. I do like the 80k mile treadwear Michelin Harmony I've used 2x's on my Civic, but they aren't LRR.