1. Attachments are working again! Check out this thread for more details and to report any other bugs.

Oil Type

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Care, Maintenance & Troubleshooting' started by Km2, May 30, 2013.

  1. Km2

    Km2 New Member

    Joined:
    May 30, 2013
    1
    0
    0
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius
    Model:
    Five
    Have been driving Prius for 5 years.
    Just bought a new 2012 Prius 5.
    The previous Prius said to use full synthetic or 5-20.
    The owners manual in the new one only list full synthetic for oil.
    Is it possible to use the 5-20 in this car?
    It makes a big difference in cost for a change.

    Thanks for your consideration.
    I did try a search for this topic but did not come up with the answer.
     
  2. The Critic

    The Critic Resident Critic

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2005
    3,193
    2,323
    0
    Location:
    CA
    Vehicle:
    2011 Prius
    Model:
    Three
    There is little difference between a full-syn 0w20 and full-syn 5w20. However, I would stay with full-syn 0w20 until the powertrain warranty expires for documentation reasons.


    iPhone ?
     
    jdcollins5 likes this.
  3. 13PV

    13PV Junior Member

    Joined:
    May 7, 2013
    82
    11
    0
    Vehicle:
    2013 Prius v wagon
    Model:
    Five
    to get the most mileage out of your vehicle, use full synthetic 0w-20. if mileage is secondary to you saving a few bucks up front for the oil, then use full synthetic 5w-20. i wouldn't use conventional oil.

    Stock up on M1 synthetic at Walmart | PriusChat
     
  4. rjparker

    rjparker Tu Humilde Sirviente

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2008
    8,498
    5,063
    7
    Location:
    Texas Hill Country
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius v wagon
    Model:
    Three
    Also you can get 10k miles on synthetic which usually means 1/2 the oil changes. At Walmart the synthetic change is around $50 vs $25 for conv.

    Another BIG difference is the reduced wear on the engine. 150k on conv may go to 300k on synthetic. I would use it.
     
  5. Paradox

    Paradox Prius Enthusiast / Moderator
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Sep 22, 2005
    29,110
    8,591
    201
    Location:
    USA
    Vehicle:
    2014 Prius v wagon
    Model:
    Five
    Moved to the Gen III forums from the Prius v forums.
     
  6. xs650

    xs650 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2010
    4,539
    1,433
    9
    Location:
    Northern California
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    II
    Another big difference is that if an oil change "tech" only touches your car 1/2 as many times, that is only 1/2 as many times for them to screw something up.
     
    Merkey likes this.
  7. The Critic

    The Critic Resident Critic

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2005
    3,193
    2,323
    0
    Location:
    CA
    Vehicle:
    2011 Prius
    Model:
    Three
    I have yet to see any evidence or read any technical explanation, that verifies synthetic oil meeting the same specifications and grade, will provide any material improvement in engine life.

    Sad but true.
     
  8. Feri

    Feri Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2011
    761
    144
    0
    Location:
    Maldon Victoria Australia
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    III

    5-20 is fine as long as it's full synthetic.
     
  9. Feri

    Feri Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2011
    761
    144
    0
    Location:
    Maldon Victoria Australia
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    III
    I have. It has to do with the way the long carbon chain polymers are synthesised to resist shearing which happens quite rapidly in mineral oils.
     
  10. rjparker

    rjparker Tu Humilde Sirviente

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2008
    8,498
    5,063
    7
    Location:
    Texas Hill Country
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius v wagon
    Model:
    Three
    It's pretty obvious that Toyota believes in Synthetics since they are now standard in most cars and allow a 10k change cycle. It's also clear all car manufacturers use synthetics in their transmissions to reduce temperatures and extend transmission life.

    It's known that high temperature applications can only be served by synthetics, such as over 275F.

    It's true that today's API standards for oils force additive qualities that prevent most wear with 3K change intervals. The problem is the additives burn off and people are not always compliant with 3k changes. Synthetics, which start with natural hydrocarbons, are far superior in real world experience including extended engine life without extra oil consumption, much less wear based failures.

    While an old test, and possibly countered with a Consumers Report test, the following adds information.

    Amsoil test where NYC taxis were run for 60k miles, some with conv changed at 3k, some with synthetic not changed for 60k although the filters were changed at 12.5k:

    Synthetic Oil: Rx For Long Engine Life, by Curt Scott - GETAHELMET.COM
    Following the year-long demonstration, each of the engines was disassembled, both to determine the levels of sludge, varnish, and rust that had accumulated inside the engine, and to carefully measure the amounts of wear experienced on critical engine components....

    To summarize the findings and conclusions, the test facility responsible for the demonstration submitted this statement: “The data presented in this report indicates that the Amsoil synthetic SAE 10W-40 passenger-car motor oil formulation…provided protection of the test engines from excessive wear and deposit formation, far beyond the normal 3,000-mile change interval.” In fact, the level of protection was such that those engines in which the original synthetic oil was run for the entire duration of the (60,000-mile) test showed less wear than did the Control Group vehicles using premium, 10W-40 petroleum oil and 3,000-mile drain intervals.
     
  11. Mendel Leisk

    Mendel Leisk EGR Fanatic

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2010
    56,686
    39,234
    80
    Location:
    Greater Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    Touring
    I don't think there's a correlation between synth and the (US) 10,000 mile oil change interval. All the (North American) Owners Manual says on the subject is a recommendation to use 0W20 (no mention of synth, though it very likely will be), or 5W20 in a pinch.

    And in Canada Toyota still sets oil change interval at 8000 km (5000 mile).

    Prius Owners Manual Oil Spec.jpg
     
  12. Feri

    Feri Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2011
    761
    144
    0
    Location:
    Maldon Victoria Australia
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    III

    The correlation is in the fact that the Toyota oils are fully synthetic.
     
  13. mmmodem

    mmmodem Senior Taste Tester

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2011
    2,732
    1,703
    0
    Location:
    Bay Area, CA
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    According to the manual, you should use full synthetic 0w20 oil. You can also safely use 5w20.

    If you also look on a page 39 of your warranty and maintenance guide there is a note that says "If 0w20 WAS NOT used at the last oil change, replace engine oil or oil filter." In other words you can pay twice as much for 0w20 every 10,000 miles or you can save half as much using 5w20 every 5,000 miles.
     
  14. El Dobro

    El Dobro A Member

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2011
    7,028
    3,241
    1
    Location:
    NJ
    Vehicle:
    Other Electric Vehicle
    Model:
    N/A
    I don't recall synthetic oil being mentioned in the owner's manual, but it's more than likely you'd be buying a synthetic anyway if you find 0w-20 in a store.
     
  15. mmmodem

    mmmodem Senior Taste Tester

    Joined:
    Nov 17, 2011
    2,732
    1,703
    0
    Location:
    Bay Area, CA
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    I'm not an oil guy but my understanding is that 0w20 is synthetic. I've never seen 0w20 dino oil but that doesn't mean the flying spaghetti monster doen't exist. These guys claim to have seen it in the wild, though.
    Is 0W-20 only available in synthetic - Bob Is The Oil Guy
     
  16. El Dobro

    El Dobro A Member

    Joined:
    Jul 12, 2011
    7,028
    3,241
    1
    Location:
    NJ
    Vehicle:
    Other Electric Vehicle
    Model:
    N/A
    Right, with the auto parts stores around here, if you find 0w-20, it's a synthetic.
     
  17. The Critic

    The Critic Resident Critic

    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2005
    3,193
    2,323
    0
    Location:
    CA
    Vehicle:
    2011 Prius
    Model:
    Three
    The Genuine Honda 0w20 that is supplied to Honda dealerships in bulk, is marketed as a synthetic-blend.


    iPhone ?
     
    mmmodem likes this.