1. Attachments are working again! Check out this thread for more details and to report any other bugs.

Regretting not getting leather

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Main Forum' started by RamesesThe2nd, May 7, 2013.

  1. 2010PriusIII

    2010PriusIII Member

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2010
    69
    24
    0
    Location:
    Boston, MA
    Vehicle:
    2018 Prius Prime
    Model:
    Prime Advanced
    OK, so there are a lot of good suggestions in this thread. I took a slightly different approach when I wanted leather in my previous car, a Civic..... My local dealer was big on installing aftermarket leather in new Hondas. The leather looked good, but they would typically add on about $2k to the sticker. So I went to the parts counter and asked who the dealership used to install the leather interior. Sure enough, it was a local business specializing in car upholstery. I then visited the local car upholstery shop to see their operation (it was a good one).

    The local car upholstery shop gave me the name of the OEM supplier of the leather interiors - - Pecca Leather. Pecca has US headquarters around LA, CA. Pecca sold me the full leather interior for $450. (This was around 2009.) I bought the seat warmer pads on eBay for around $50. The local shop did the install for $400. (Best $400 that I ever spent.... these installs are really labor intensive and the hog ties used to install the leather are a real PIA to install yourself.) The shop needed the car for a full day for the install.

    I have a 2010 III with cloth seats that I bought new. I thought that I may want the leather in it too. I checked with Pecca a couple of years ago and they have the full leather interior for the Gen 3 Pri hatchback. As I recall, the price was a bit more.... around $500 + shipping. So the leather interior can be done for closer to $1k.

    Have I installed the leather in my Pri? No. It looks fantastic and the built in heated driver seat is great in the winter. But at work I park outside now and in the summer the leather gets really hot and uncomfortable when you first get in the car. If the cloth gets really ratty / worn then I know that I have this as an option.
     
    p00kienrayray, RamesesThe2nd and JMD like this.
  2. RamesesThe2nd

    RamesesThe2nd 2012 Prius III - Classic Silver Mettalic

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2012
    73
    17
    0
    Location:
    Chicago, Illinois
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius
    Model:
    Three
    Somehow knowing that I have an option to upgrade to leather later made it a lot less desirable to get leather right now. My seats are perfectly fine and even though I didn't really buy Prius for environment saving reasons, I hate wasting good stuff for no good reason. For now, I am planning to stick with cloth. I will probably get some seat vest or something for the driver seat to protect it from daily usage and abuse.
     
  3. teamsc10190

    teamsc10190 Stereo Prii (2011 and 2006)

    Joined:
    May 10, 2006
    145
    63
    2
    Vehicle:
    2011 Prius
    Model:
    Four
    I think your upholstery shop has given you some bogus information. Pecca Leather does not supply leather seat covers to Toyota Japan. Toyota has their own seating company, Toyota Boshoku Corporation.
     
  4. css28

    css28 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2012
    1,566
    442
    3
    Location:
    Suburban Detroit
    Vehicle:
    2011 Prius
    Model:
    Three
    He was saying that Pecca supplied the local upholstery shop, not Toyota in Japan.
     
  5. p00kienrayray

    p00kienrayray Active Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2012
    720
    135
    0
    Location:
    Long Beach, CA
    Vehicle:
    2013 Prius
    Model:
    Three
    Pecca is actually a descent brand. Some shops only use Pecca or Katzkins. Did not know that their headquarters were that close to me.
    Here's their contact info in case anyone is interested:
    Pecca Leather, Inc.

    Address: 12010 Woodruff Ave, Downey, CA 90241
    Phone: (562) 623-0781
    Hours: Tuesday hours 8:00 am–5:00 pm
     
  6. 2010PriusIII

    2010PriusIII Member

    Joined:
    Aug 22, 2010
    69
    24
    0
    Location:
    Boston, MA
    Vehicle:
    2018 Prius Prime
    Model:
    Prime Advanced
    teamsc10190 - the OEM reference in my post was in reference to the 2009 Honda Civic that I was purchasing the leather interior for at the time. Pecca was the OEM supplier for the Honda Civic.
     
  7. teamsc10190

    teamsc10190 Stereo Prii (2011 and 2006)

    Joined:
    May 10, 2006
    145
    63
    2
    Vehicle:
    2011 Prius
    Model:
    Four
    Honda Civic seats are manufactured by TS Tech Americas, Inc. in New Castle Indiana where they provide sequence supply to the Civic manufacturing plant in Greensburg Indiana.

    Pecca Leather is an aftermarket Malaysian seat cover manufacturer. It sounds like your upholstery shop sources their aftermarket leather kits from Pecca.
     
  8. RamesesThe2nd

    RamesesThe2nd 2012 Prius III - Classic Silver Mettalic

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2012
    73
    17
    0
    Location:
    Chicago, Illinois
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius
    Model:
    Three
    I got Katzkin leather installed with seat heaters this week from Lombard Toyota for $1493 (including taxes). Overall very happy with the look, feel and finish. Not so happy with smell of glue in the car, which should eventually fade away. They didn't do a nice job to sew the back of back seats (it's mostly hidden) and there is a slight wrinkle in the inside of cup holder area of back seat. Other than that, very satisfied with the way it turned out. I might take it back there so they can fix it, but I doubt that they will consider those two things as issues. In general, I am liking the new look and happy with the decision.

    Here are some pics:

    Driver Side Panel:
    [​IMG]

    Center Armrest:
    [​IMG]

    Inside:
    [​IMG]

    Side Air Bag:
    [​IMG]

    Back of Drive Side:
    [​IMG]

    Back Passenger Door Side Panel:
    [​IMG]

    Katzkin Logo and Side Pipping:
    [​IMG]
     
    cycledrum likes this.
  9. JMD

    JMD 2012 Prius 4 Solar Roof

    Joined:
    Oct 11, 2012
    3,779
    1,282
    0
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius
    Model:
    Four
    Looks great! Congrats
     
    RamesesThe2nd likes this.
  10. cycledrum

    cycledrum PSOCSOASP

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2008
    8,245
    1,202
    0
    Location:
    NorCal
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    I've seen Katzkins on brand new cars too. Look great. Can't go wrong with it.
     
  11. RamesesThe2nd

    RamesesThe2nd 2012 Prius III - Classic Silver Mettalic

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2012
    73
    17
    0
    Location:
    Chicago, Illinois
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius
    Model:
    Three
    Yeah. They had a brand new Camry and Prius with Katzkin in stock when I went there to see sample of finished products last week. It looked so good that I decided to jump on it. Initially, I was kind of thinking about leather, but not very certain if I wanted to spend that much money on it. The overall feel of the car has significantly improved from leather IMO.
     
  12. MPGnutcase

    MPGnutcase Active Member

    Joined:
    May 1, 2013
    579
    114
    0
    Location:
    Chicago
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius
    Model:
    Four
    My softex seats get really hot, I luv the power seats and HUD.
     
  13. RamesesThe2nd

    RamesesThe2nd 2012 Prius III - Classic Silver Mettalic

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2012
    73
    17
    0
    Location:
    Chicago, Illinois
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius
    Model:
    Three
    I just got them, so I can't really comment on how hot they get. I suspect they wouldn't be too different from Softex. Padding is certainly a little better and seats feel a little more comfortable.
     
  14. cycledrum

    cycledrum PSOCSOASP

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2008
    8,245
    1,202
    0
    Location:
    NorCal
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    I suppose perforated seating area would have been extra. I've asked around about black leather vs. light gray or tan and most agree Black leather feels warmer in sun than light colors. I switched to light gray leather seat cover. But black always looks classy.

    Maybe you are experienced at leather cleaning and conditioning. I've got some experience with it and found Lexol cleaner pH and conditioner (separate bottles) to be a good safe bet. Walmart had them for $7 per bottle.
     
    JMD likes this.
  15. RamesesThe2nd

    RamesesThe2nd 2012 Prius III - Classic Silver Mettalic

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2012
    73
    17
    0
    Location:
    Chicago, Illinois
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius
    Model:
    Three
    I didn't inquire about perforated seating area. It could be more; I don't know. I had black leather in my previous car and I never noticed it being too hot. I love the black and silver combination. Grey was just not that intriguing to me. I think it is a matter of personal choice. However, I am not certain about the white pipping. I got it because the sample car had it and it looked nice. I think it gives it a distinguished look, but, I don't know, it might look even better without it.

    Katzkin leather looks and feels much nicer than the factory OEM leather I had in my Highlander. Only time will tell how durable it is and how long it will last.

    I found that leather is not that hard to maintain. Just keep it clean and polish it with leather polish every few months. I have two leather couches that are 6 years old and they look almost brand new. On my next visit to Walmart, I will make sure to check out Lexol cleaner and conditioner.
     
  16. Tideland Prius

    Tideland Prius Moderator of the North
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2004
    45,024
    16,244
    41
    Location:
    Canada
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    Wow, that install looks fantastic! Love the piping.
     
    RamesesThe2nd likes this.
  17. cycledrum

    cycledrum PSOCSOASP

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2008
    8,245
    1,202
    0
    Location:
    NorCal
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    I sampled Meguiar's Gold Class leather cleaner and conditioner (one-step) vs. Lexol separate cleaner / conditioner.

    The Meguiar's left the leather with a slick, shiny residue.

    The Lexol cleaner, although very mild, did clean and the conditioner left very soft, non-shiny finish. There may be better botique brands out there and there are different types of leather, but Lexol is sold everywhere for a good reason.

    There's a couple youtube videos on leather cleaning which are helpful. Professional detailers use brushes on leather, microfiber cloths and sometimes a steam cleaner.
     
  18. cycledrum

    cycledrum PSOCSOASP

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2008
    8,245
    1,202
    0
    Location:
    NorCal
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    I think for most with lots to spend, leather is the choice. Would we see a James Bond movie with passenger riding around in Jaguar with cloth seats?

    I wouldn't get black leather. Looks great, but it's a bit warmer to sit on.
     
  19. cycledrum

    cycledrum PSOCSOASP

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2008
    8,245
    1,202
    0
    Location:
    NorCal
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    I shopped sideless seat covers recently. Many of the dealers carry the Allison brand which I got for front passenger seat. It's PVC vinyl, $38 so it's basic cheap protection. Never found a leather sideless seat cover. I'm rolling with a $70 one size fits all leather cover by Masque. I like how it covers the side controls cause sometimes I'd get to fiddling with them far too much. I cut a big hole in side of cover thin fabric. Maybe a semi-circular flap would have been a better cut. But, won't notice the hole much and ....

    the leather feels better than any fabric or PVC vinyl cover I've used.
     
  20. cycledrum

    cycledrum PSOCSOASP

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2008
    8,245
    1,202
    0
    Location:
    NorCal
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A

    So, this company might have designed much of Prius interior? Toyota Boshoku Corporation

    The tilt of their seats (Prius incl.) varies from little when raised up to a lot when lowered down in both mechanical and power seats. I like the Honda approach better: Leave constant seat tilt through the height range. Plus on Honda power seat, the whole seat tilts (front of button), not just bottom cushion as in Toyota. There's so much tilt induced when lowering Prius power seat height that lowering bottom cushion tilt barely flattens it out enough.

    In my old '88 Toyota SR5 pickup, this is enough tilt to cause numbness:
    camera 454.jpg

    and it barely flattens out with tilt full down:
    camera 455.jpg

    Long history of this sort of thing.