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70 mpg stinks plus you have to drive a car so ugly people want to ram it ;-)

Just hit 1,000 miles on 2 gallons. Read is off as dealer had 20 gas miles on it

seriously I did consider a Honda but my kids said it was too ugly

 

but we're back today, although, lowry did get screwed on that fowl to right.

 

Its not nonsense figure, its just not the measure you seem to want to use. MPG is Miles per gallon.. it is a measure of gas used per mile and is very well defined. With a volt its easy to use little (and with a Leaf of Tesla use none in that vehicle so MPG is not well defined there). MPG (or better GPM is a good measure if as many my repub friends, your main concern is imported oil and amercian jobs. I've used under 30 gallons in the past 18 months.. how about you?

You seem to want to use MPGe or some measure of energy used per unit distance.. something few people understand, clearly shown in other posts in this thread.

A better model might be to talk about fuel cost per mile.. where I'm at at 0.028 $ per mile what are you getting?

MPG$ which is the cost converted back to effective MPG at current gas prices where I'm over 165 miles per gallon dollar Equiv.. Its great for local comparison, not so much for Cali vs Co (where everything is more expensive in Cali)

In my view, any day using is gas is a bad day.. and any month < 200mpg is bad.
I'd go for all EV but if I had a leaf I'd use mor gas because I'd have to use the wifes Subrau for long trips.. instead we take the volt where we do 40s.

 

Grrr! We'll get even with you in the playoffs!

 

The electric utility here in Alameda, CA doesn't have SmartMeters, so they just rebate EV owners $15/month if we charge off-peak, using the honor system. My total Prius electricity cost is -$2 per month. (Yes, I know the difference between a - and a <).

 

Using the term MPG properly is not cheating. The definition of MPG does not include costs nor does it include electricity. Is it cheating when a Diesel owener uses MPG .. since diesel has more energy per gallon? Is it cheating when someone choose to use some blened or even 100% Ethanol and gets lower MPG? MPG is well defined and is being properly used. If some people infer cost or energy from it, they are they ones that are wrong.

I was not acting as if you pulled the ideas.. just your phrasing was not clear and you did not use the term MPGe in the post so I was guessing what you wanted.

But since you say you want to count *ALL* energy, then you don't want MPGe.. that is just efficiency of energy used from the wall/pump. All energy would require full life-cycle analysis, including exploration, discovery, drilling, refining, transport, then wall/pump and should include the manufacture and disposal of the item as well. There are a few studies on EV/PHEV for on wells to wheels, but none that I know of that do a full life cycle analysis. (The Wells-to-wheels is misleading since for petroleum almost have the energy is use in the explore/discover/drilling phases, i.e. before there is a well. ) I guess one could do something like Energy-regurn-on-energy-invested per mile... ( hmm there is a paper in that. )

Since I cannot know all the energy, I prefer to consider what matters to me cost..

 

same here - also charging at the market, GE and chargepoint - my 31 days where I hit over 1000 miles on 2 gallons resulted in electricity charge to me of $19. His $80 is making assumptions that aren't valid

what is valid is the Honda is still ugly and getting uglier everytime someone rams it ;-)

 

i hope we make the playoffs! not confident after the last few years.

 

Rule 5 of the PriusChat Charter!

 

I wonder how the Honda "lean" mode compares to the "Atkinson Cycle engine" tweaks that Hybrid Synergy Drive does. As I understand it, it is not a "true" Atkinson Cycle engine, but they play some serious games with the valve timing to make it "Atkinson-like".

What is the trade-off when using the Honda "lean" mode? Less horsepower?

 

Hi Troy,
Aren't you just trying to make trouble? No one here rammed into your car. Is was someone else. You shouldn't assume that because a person that happened to be driving a Prius that it is someone here at PC.
Why not stop with all the argumentative posts?
I like all EVs and hybrids...I just like the Prius best. I don't really care what everyone else drives.

Please take this in the right way...as a suggestion for a more enjoyable conversation.

Mike

 

Acknowledged expert hypermiler Wayne Gerdes got 65 mpg in a Civic Hybrid. The OP has never substantiated his claim that top Civic Hybrid drivers get 70 mpg.

 

Still waiting for supporting evidence...........

 

Me! Pick Me! I've always wanted to press the "squash" button!

 

wow, talk about touchy, and i thought we were bad.